I feed my dogs PMR and never supplement except I give Abby glucosimine for her bad hip. I honestly can't tell its doing her any good and she's been taking it for over a year.

I don't know what to tell you about a pre-made diet because we just don't know what is in them in what porportions. Most of them are very heavy in bone.

With a PMR, everything is there and balanced by nature. No supplements needed except for any known health problem. Some PMR feeders supplement fish oil or salmon oil for the O3's which grocery store is light in.

 

before they got organ, i supplemented with a multivitamin...

now, they only get salmon oil gel caps

but i also feed a PMR...and i simply wouldn't know whether or not the frozen pre mades are adequate with or without supplementation.

 

I think it's more for my own peace of mind than for the dogs' actual benefit. I like to think their nutritional needs are being met. It can't hurt, though, I figure. If anything, it would help fill the gaps.

 

I originally was going to feed packaged raw. However, after reading about RMB I decided to go with it. The major reason was no needed supplements or vitamins. The next major reason was the unknown bone content which can range anywhere from 30 to 50 percent. A supplier of the packaged raw has to feed her dog all kinds of enzymes and vitamins because of how the product is processed and what it contains.

I feed RMB and I give my dogs only salmon oil. They get two gelcaps each per day.

 

I only do fish oils as well, and that is only when I think about giving it. Its hard to say if the pre made raw diets are balanced or not, but I will say that it never hurts the dog to supplement it as long as those supplements are water soluble. Its the fat soluble nutrients that can be harmful.

 

In the store I work in some of the premade raw has bones and organs, some doesn't. Also, some has veggies added, some doesn't. Columbia River has the option of both, and most of their smaller animals (chicken, guinea fowl, etc.) has the bone ground in. Bigger animals like beef and bison don't. I would guess the ones with organs and veggies would have most of the supplements they need, but I'm far from an expert on the subject :smile: Still lots of research to do

 

I feed a partial raw diet (raw + The Honest Kitchen) but I supplement their diets with Nupro Silver w/ Joint Support.

 

I wanted to add that I give my pup a daily supplement, Joint Mobility by Wholistic Canine Complete. She does really well on it. They have a daily multi-vit called Canine Complete (Joint Mobility is that plus joint supplements) plus several other supplements like Salmon Oil, Coconut Oil, and others. Very good line. It flies off the shelves! They missed a shipment to us once and we had people calling every day to see if it was in yet. They were frantic! lol! :biggrin:

 

I have been supplementing with the Total Health Plus product from The Whole Hound. Website: The Whole Hound: Premium Supplements for Dogs

 

I have been looking for a supplement for Chelsy for when I start her on raw next week. It has to have NO flaxseed, salmon oil, and preferably no yeast, but plenty of B vitamins and glucosamine for her severe back problems. She is on one from Drs. Foster and Smith but it has some ingredients in it that I think are making her itch so I was looking for some alternatives. I will check out a few that were mentioned here. If anyone else has any all natural ones they are using that they like, let me know. She is little and doesn't need much. She is starting to have trouble getting her back legs under her in the morning so the little girl needs all the help I can give her.

 

It has to have NO flaxseed, salmon oil, and preferably no yeast, but plenty of B vitamins and glucosamine for her severe back problems.

I'm pretty sure Wholistic Pet supplements have flaxseed in them :frown: Otherwise the Joint Mobility one would have been great.

 

Since I am using nutritiondata.com all the time to figure out Sassy's cooked diet I created an account for Max and use it to analyze Max's raw diet. I have a few RMB analysis I put in as custom foods and when I make up a weekly diet for him in My Tracking unfortunately have found a couple low spots in his diet I need to supplement. I use sardines so he doesn't need fish oil but vitamin E, magnesium and manganese are low and zinc tends to be low. I am always amazed at how complete a diet just meat, bone and organ is though.

 

Raw should help as meat is full of those B vitamins.

Not disclosing ingredients is a huge red flag for me. I haven't bought anything from B-Naturals but ingredients are disclosed there.

With Sassy's heath issues I trust human grade supplements rather than ones made for pets as they are more accountable. It means a lot of pilling, no liver added so they are tasty!

 

Good idea to just check the human vitamins instead of the pet ones. I"ll do that. I didn't like the of them not telling me the ingredients either. We've been back and forth on several emails and all they'll tell me is what's NOT in it.

 

I have a jar of Whole Hound Total Health Plus vitamins & minerals with Glucosamine, HCI, MSM, and Digestive Enzymes.
A complete list of ingredients is on the label. They aren't hiding anything.

 

It's just not on their web site though. They just list the vitamin and mineral contents and amount, not the actual ingredients that make up the product. I was trying to get the person at the website to tell me what makes up the product i.e. yeast, flax, fish oil, carrot powder, etc and she wouldn't tell me. Every other vitamin tells you the exact ingredient inside the vitamin.

For example -

B-Natural's vitmamins

Ingredients -Whey, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Dried Chicken Liver, Vitamin E Supplement, Calcium Panthenate (Vitamin B5), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Thiamine (Vitamin B1), Alfalfa Meal (dehydrated), Lemon Peel, Vitamin A Supplement, Kelp (dried), Vitamin D Supplement, Selenium (Sodium Selenite)

This is all I am trying to find out about Whole Hound Vitamins. I'm not sure why she couldn't email it to me and why it's not listed on the web site. I would love to be able to buy them but I really have to know their full list of ingredients for Chelsy. I don't have any local store so I can't look at a label. I have to order the stuff on line so I have to get it direct from the manufacturer.

 

when we did supplement, we liked the ingredients in b-naturals immune blend and her green blend....for home cooking, we thought it rounded things out nicely...

for raw...they get organs and variety, so i think we're covered vitamin and mineral and amino acid and enzyme wise....