noo.....please say this is a joke...

at least i still have orijen!

 

This is NOT good news. So now the only reliable company would be the makers of Orijen? This sucks.

ETA: RAW is sure lookin good right now!!!!

 

Don't forget Horizon. They are in Saskatchewan, Canada and really remind me of Orijen in their practices.

Made with ingredients sourced from within 100 KM of our facility in Rosthern, Saskatchewan

That is amazing!
Horizon Pet Nutrition

I do think Horizon is as good as Evo and Orijen. So all I have to say is I will feed Evo for now, as most products on shelves are from Pre-PG, so I guess I'll stop feeding Evo in about 3-4 months. This is horrifying, but in a way good for me, this is pushing me faster towards raw.

 

I was just coming here to post the link. I'm in shock........certainly a blow for quality food. Thank doG for Fromm and NOW....... guess Innova is out of our rotation.

 

That is AWFUL news. I don't even feed my dogs kibble and I'm disappointed.
Geeze, my kibble cat is in trouble. Were moving back to Orem, UT soon, and the nearest place that sells Orijen is 4 hours away. I think we'll need to stock up before leaving town.

 

You can also have it shipped to you. I did that a coupld of times because the stores closest to me were out and weren't getting any by the time I was needing it, so I ordered it. Let me know if you want the website I ordered it from and you can see if it would be worth it. I would suggest that when you order it, order more then what you will need, or what you will need for a few months, that should help cut down on costs too.

 

"It's time for the right company to take our brands to the next level of growth. P&G is that company," said John Rademakers, founder and owner of Natura Pet Products. "We know that P&G will honor our history as they capitalize on their strengths to build these brands."

money driven b******* (Edited by CorgiPaws for language. AGAIN) hehehe.

 

"We know that P&G will honor our history as they capitalize on their strengths to build these brands."

money driven bastards hehehe.

I just wonder how long before any recalls, pets getting sick, etc....:frown:

 

Another one bites the dust. Remember when Wellness was a good food? Heck, is their anyone on here who remembers when Iams was a good food?

No worries, Evo and Innova will still be good through the summer, but start looking for your replacement by fall.

Orijen all the way now.......until they get the offer they can't refuse.

 

oh...my...gawd......That is so WRONG! -.- I'm with CorgiPaws here, I don't feed my dogs any kibble, but it disgusts me that Natura would sell out to Procter and Gamble!!! Now, I don't know what everyone else's opinions are of them (totally sheltered), or if they're the same as mine, but I know they do hardcore animal testing. I NEVER buy products from them if I can help it. I will never recommend Evo or Innova again..... -.-

 

nooooooooo.... finally we have our allergic pup doing really well on CalNat... don't even know what to say.

 

Unfortunately Chelsy can't eat any kibble with salmon or olive oil in it and Orijen has Salmon in it. Now I have to find a grain free kibble made without Salmon or Olive Oil. Anyone got any suggestions? I just got her all settled on Evo

 

I don't know have you looked at any of the Go Natural lines by petcurean

 

They all contain salmon and salmon oil. It's really difficult to find any kibble food without salmon or olive oil. Those are the only two things I've found that she HAS to avoid. They make her have horrendous colitis and bloody diarhea. I really want to stick with grain free with her. She's been doing great on the EVO but I won't stay with it once P&G gets hold of it and starts making changes.

 

wtf! I don't feed kibble anymore, but I love Natura! That is what I fed before raw and what I would feed if I didn't do raw. I guess I should recommend Orijen now... :frown:

 

I am still so upset about this.....GRRRRRRRRR.

So do you think Innova will be okay for a few more months? I am thinking I'll still start the puppy on this and then after a few bags then switch.

I am also wondering what exactly P&G can do without us knowing.....?? Change the formula? Start using ingredients with ethoxyquin?

 

they can have the suppliers preserve the fish with ethoxyquin..the same suppliers they use for eukanuba. they can use meat that they ise in iams..all the cheap cuts for the lower foods im guessing. im so pissed.

 

THIS IS INTERESTING TO ME...

John May 3, 2010 at 5:39 pm

Some of you may be interested in seeing the Orijen and Evo factories. I couldn’t figure out how to post a picture, so I posted links to some Google Earth, “Street Views” of the Champion(Orijen) and Natura (Evo) factories. The Natura plant in Nebraska is a manicured show-place while the Champion plant in Alberta, Canada looks, for lack of a better word, “functional”. If you (click on one of the links below) copy the URL for each plant from below and paste it in the address area of your browser you will be taken to a picture where you are basically standing in the street in front of the factory. I’m not knocking Orijen/Champion (I feed it to my dog), but the pics show that Natura is a much more mature business.
NATURA
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...&cbll=41.448437,-96.5323 13&panoid=fEyMBa4LOlRvAT51WnH0mQ&cbp=12,228.59,,0,1.44
ORIJENS
http://maps.google.com/maps?layer=c...i=sj_eS5ixM4OeygS7oMj7Bg&ie=UTF8&ll=37.0625,-95.677068&spn=0,78.1 34766&t=h&z=4

The miracles of modern web technology!

Have Fun,

John

 

Yeah you got that from the dog food review site that saltydog showed us. It is stupid to take what's going on on the inside with how well their lawn is manicured.

If you are getting info from other sites it's almost web etiquette to give us the link.

 

By the end of this year, I believe we will all be in accordance that Orijen is the lone star king of the kibble.


I'd say it's safe to assume that production will remain at the Nebraska plant and that all 140 employees will keep their jobs. But I agree with all of you who are saying the ingredients may change to help the bottom line. I look for P&G to mass market the Natura line right into the big box pet stores (petco, petsmart....etc). Wellness is HUGE in this arena and I think P&G will take the Natura lines and go head to head with Wellness on all of their playing fields.

I've seen this before and if history tells us anything, the brand one day will suffer. Wellness used to be on top of the world when it was a company owned boutique brand, as did Iams.

At least this aqusition gives us something to watch and talk about over the next 6 to 9 months :wink:

 

By the end of this year, I believe we will all be in accordance that Orijen is the lone star king of the kibble.


I'd say it's safe to assume that production will remain at the Nebraska plant and that all 140 employees will keep their jobs. But I agree with all of you who are saying the ingredients may change to help the bottom line. I look for P&G to mass market the Natura line right into the big box pet stores (petco, petsmart....etc). Wellness is HUGE in this arena and I think P&G will take the Natura lines and go head to head with Wellness on all of their playing fields.

I've seen this before and if history tells us anything, the brand one day will suffer. Wellness used to be on top of the world when it was a company owned boutique brand, as did Iams.

At least this aqusition gives us something to watch and talk about over the next 6 to 9 months :wink:

Well not me, Horizon is as good to me as Orijen, and current, or pre-PG Evo. It's sad that most overlook it.

 

their NOW adult looks lie a pretty lame grain free formula...26 percent protein?

looks like more potato than meat.GUARANTEED ANALYSIS

*not recognized as an essential nutrient by the A.A.F.C.O. dog food nutrient profile.

Crude Protein (min) 26%

Available in 1 lb, 6 lb & 25lb bags
Crude Fat (min) 16%
Crude Fiber (max) 4%
Moisture (max) 10%
Calcium (min) 1.2%
Phosphorus (min) .8%
*Omega 6 Fatty Acids (min) 2.5%
*Omega 3 Fatty Acids (min) .5%



INGREDIENTS

De-boned turkey, potato flour, pea, apple, whole dried egg, pea fibre, tomato, potato, flaxseed, canola oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E) , natural flavors, salmon, de-boned duck, sun dried alfalfa, coconut oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), carrots, pumpkin, bananas, blueberries, cranberries, raspberries, blackberries, papaya, pineapple, grapefruit, lentil beans, broccoli, spinach, cottage cheese, alfalfa sprouts, dried kelp, flaxseed, calcium carbonate, dicalcium phosphate, lecithin, sodium chloride, potassium chloride, vitamins: ( vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vit. C), niacin, inositol, vitamin A supplement, thiamine mononitrate, d-calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, beta-carotene, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement) , minerals: (zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, iron proteinate, copper sulfate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), taurine, DL-methionine, L-Lysine, chicory root extract, lactobacillus acidophilus, lactobacillus casei, enterococcus faecium, bifido bacterium thermophilum, dried aspergillus niger fermentation extract, dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, yeast extract, yucca schidigera extract, marigold extract, garlic powder, L-carnitine, dried rosemary.

 

Petcurean Pet Nutrition

There you go.


I wouldn't use it. Not enough protein, and the ingredient list doesn't look that great.

 

I told me friend I would ask here. She uses EVO and was asking me if she buys two or three more EVO bags tomorrow, will she be OK? She doesn't want P&G products.

 

My best guess is YES.
But i'd act quick, I expect evo to simply FLY off the shelves as news spreads as people try to stock up!!

 

Yeah, I probably wouldn't feed the dog food line of petcurean with the protein levels so low, but what I can't understand is why they make a cat line with 50% protein and then give the dogs such a low protein line.

 

I think it's cause Cats are completely carnivorous, and dogs aren't. Maybe they think dogs don't need that much, I wouldn't put it past a Co to think that way, but who knows.

 

the petcurean list looks horrible..it looks like 0 meat... i mean honestly the first ingridient is a water invlusive emat than potatoes fiber.... i dont see any meat meals...it might be grain free potato chips....

 

Go Natural Grain Free Dog Food

Their grain free Endurance line looks MUCH, MUCH better than any of their other foods.

Turkey Meal, Chicken Meal, de-boned Chicken, Russett Potato, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols (vit. E), Whole Dried Egg, Salmon Meal, Apple, Peas, Natural Flavour, Tomato Pomace, Duck Meal, Salmon Oil, Flax Seed Oil, Yeast Extract, Potassium Chloride, Taurine, Choline Chloride, Pumpkin, Carrots, Bananas, Blueberries, Cranberries, Lentil Beans, Broccoli, Spinach, Cottage Cheese, Alfalfa Sprouts, Chicory Root Extract, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Casei, Enterococcus Faecium, Bifido-bacterium Thermophilum, dried Aspergillus Niger Fermentation Extract, dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Vitamins (vit. E, vit. C, niacin, inositol, vit. A, thiamine mononitrate, d-calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, beta-carotene, vit. D3, folic acid, biotin, vit. B12), Minerals (zinc proteinate, copper sulfate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), Ascorbyl-polyphosphate, Garlic Powder, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Dried Rosemary.

Crude Protein (min) 34%
Crude Fat (min) 16%
Crude Fiber (max) 4%
Moisture (max) 10%
Calcium (min) 1.8%
Phosphorus (min) 1.2%
*Omega 6 Fatty Acids (min) 3%
*Omega 3 Fatty Acids (min) 0.5%

 

punk you were saying you don't feed petcurean due to their low protein and not so great ingredient list. i think this ingredient list looks as good as horizon. i would definitely feed this.looks better than canidae.
just curious what is the point in eggs ? i see some foods using them,and some not? what are they used for???

 

Horizon really makes a nice grainless food (Legacy) and i like that it doesnt use potato. the real problems i see with them are:

-they need to expand the grainless line...it is pretty limited.
-they have very little presence in the usa...hopefully, they will expand their retailer network.

 

- and they need a FULL nutritent analysis posted on the wesite and on the bag.


My only other issue with Horizon, and it's not huge, but still.....why do they add salt?

 

say i was to stock up on food before the switch, how long would the bags be good for? might be a silly question, but can you freeze kibble??
it takes us about 2 months to go through the medium sized bag.
tia

 

M and M,

Most of the food I just bought from PFD and Hearty PET had about a year left of life.

Not sure if thats always the case though.

You are going to have to see the expiration date firsthand or make sure you write the online stores and ask....both Hearty and PFD were very quick to respond when I asked for the amount of life on each.

 

I've actually fed the NOW adult food with outstanding results. I had it analyzed by a canine nutritionist with good results. The potato flour is used as a binder to hold the kibble together like the tapioca found in NV. It is 30% carbs ( she also had it lab analyzed). Not all dogs can handle the high protein foods. If you believe the proof is in the pudding.... the berner breeder who recommended it to me, has dogs routinely living to 12 years old. That's pretty amazing for berners whose average life span is 8. BTW, my goldens are in glorious abundant coat, perfect lab work, clean teeth, lean and firm, and full of energy. I can't say they fared as well on Acana.

 

Slow down, cowboy...

Aren't we getting a little ahead of ourselves with the sky is falling talk?

At this point in time all we know is that EVO was bought by another company. Anything else is pure speculation & fear-mongering.

Take a deep breath.

 

Aren't we getting a little ahead of ourselves with the sky is falling talk?

At this point in time all we know is that EVO was bought by another company. Anything else is pure speculation & fear-mongering.

Take a deep breath.

history has proven time and time again that when independent dog food manufacturers get gobbled up by these huge conglomerates the product WILL eventually change for the sake of maximizing profits for said conglomerate...its not a matter of if, but when Natura products will begin their downturn.

im happy to see people drop their products asap to send a message to other manufacturers who arent currently controlled by huge conglomerates.