Hardly

Akasha's puppy warts got increasingly worse over the course of a couple of months. They showed 0 sign of letting up. The only got worse and started going into her throat.

Within 2 days of giving Vit C they started clearing up and within the week they were completely gone

Can you give a testimonial about tripe that come close? I doubt it. If so I'd REALLY LOVE to hear what tripe does for your dogs

 

I wasn't saying anything negative about your argument, why the pissed off post?

 

Not pissed off....

Keep in mind that I side with RFD and many others about tripe. It's just another food source. (please bring me something if you feel it's more than that)

We have evidence from multiple people that Vit C helps clear up puppy warts

There's 0 evidence that tripe is anything but another food source

Just want to clear that up :wink:

And shame on you Jon for attacking me when it wasn't warranted.

This was FAR from an attack.

And please don't even go there. Aside from RFD I think I've been the brunt of the most unwarranted attacks on this forum.

 

I have to say you really have taken me aback by your post, I find it ironic that danemama and corgipaws are arguing about something they believe to be true and working to RFD who is very pig headed and close minded.
I also believe he is close minded to the fact that tripe is and does a dog many benefits by adding to a raw diet, just because he choses not to feed it himself does not mean it isn't a good thing.
And shame on you Jon for attacking me when it wasn't warranted.

 

And shame on you Jon for attacking me when it wasn't warranted.

I see no attack but rather a "please tell me the benefits or case studies for doing this?" An attack would have been calling you a name or being outright disrespectful to you directly.

The reason why I don't feed green tripe is that I personally don't see the need. And I don't want to deal with the mess and the cost.

 

It may be another food source but the dogs definitely don't need to eat grass like before and my female who has the luxating patella, along with the tripe/trach-full of guclosimine and swim therapy once a week hasn't luxated since last Aug. I really don't think it's a coincidence since she plays just as hard as before with the dogs.

 

Let's keep it friendly. And free of name calling, it's really not necessary.
And perhaps even on topic! lol.
If you'd like to debate tripe... again... take it to the raw section.

 

Do you feed it? If so, why?

I don't feed it. I think it's overpriced for what it is. There's lots of other food sources I'd rather spend my $$ on.

 

I don't feed it because I would rather put my cash elsewhere, like buying beef or goat muscle meat, which is more species appropriate. Tripe is more expensive than it's worth, in my opinion.

That being said, if some were just given to me, I wouldn't hesitate to feed it. I also don't see anything particularly *wrong* with feeding it. I just don't think it's the crazy miracle worker that they're made out to be, but I think if you're feeding it with good results, you don't mind spending the cash, and you're comfortable with it... who am I to tell you not to?

 

I'll post later, dog swim therapy class.

 

So what do you think is expensive? I pay $1.60-1.75 a lb and get it in a 40 lb case, I paid $1.40 a lb for the best looking beef from our group I've seen in a long time, now it's gone up to a $1.60 a lb, $2.00 for llama, I guess it's all what your willing to spend on your dogs cause remember when you were feeding a quality kibble how much were you spending a lb? I don't think you can say a negative thing about tripe until you have fed it for 3-4 months ,so I don't want to hear any more of this crap until you have honest to goodness tried it for yourself and not just heresay!

 

But what are some of the noticeable changes you have seen in your dogs that you KNOW for certain came from the tripe and only the tripe?

Just like with switching to raw in the first place...I need to hear why it is that I *should* try tripe? Does that make sense?

And I really don't think its how much I am willing to spend on my dogs...its how much I can afford to give to my dogs. Those are two completely different things. When I was feeding quality kibble I didn't have near this many dogs to feed, and yes it was pricey and now I can afford to do a lot more for them in other ways.

 

Here's one reason I think it's not necessary and not a "miracle food"

"Wolves usually tear into the body cavity of large prey and...consume the larger internal organs, such as lungs, heart, and liver. The large rumen [, which is one of the main stomach chambers in large ruminant herbivores,]...is usually punctured during removal and its contents spilled. The vegetation in the intestinal tract is of no interest to the wolves, but the stomach lining and intestinal wall are consumed, and their contents further strewn about the kill site." (pg.123, emphasis added)

"To grow and maintain their own bodies, wolves need to ingest all the major parts of their herbivorous prey, except the plants in the digestive system." (pg.124, emphasis added).

These quotes are taken from chapter 4, The Wolf as a Carnivore.

"The wolf's diet consists mostly of muscle meat and fatty tissue from various animals. Heart, lung, liver, and other internal organs are eaten. Bones are crushed to get at the marrow, and bone fragments are eaten as well. Even hair and skin are sometimes consumed. The only part consistently ignored is the stomach and its contents. Although some vegetable matter is taken separately, particularly berries, Canis lupus doesn't seem to digest them very well."

This quote can be found on the Hunting and Meals page at Kerwood Wildlife Education Center.
http://www.kerwoodwildlife.com/HUNTING&MEALTIME.htm

When wolves catch and kill a large mammal, they will gorge and then rest while the food is being rapidly digested. They will generally consume all but the hide, some of the large bones and skull and the rumen (stomach contents of ungulates) of their prey
International Wolf Center Learn - Frequently Asked Questions about Wolves

They'd eat it naturally if it was something they'd benefit from

 

This makes me think back to those pictures you took Natalie (I think it was you...??) of that deer kill where everything was gone EXCEPT the stomach, intestines and one leg bone. Does anyone else remember those pictures? :wink:

 

That would be Jem (aka Amy) :wink:
http://dogfoodchat.com/forum/pictures/2200-raw-feeding-its-finest-caution-graphic-photos.html

 

Opps...sorry. :redface:
Still, those photos prove a point. :biggrin:

 

Opps...sorry. :redface:

Don't be :wink:

Still, those photos prove a point. :biggrin:

I think they do :biggrin:

 

Grass is not left in the tripe #1, and tell me why our dogs feel the need to eat grass?

Anyways, I don't have the stomach for this argument today, I'm losing 20 co-workers due to budget cuts and a tax vote that didn't pass last nite so I'm very sad today....:frown:

 

All of our collective "knowledge" on canine nutrition doesn't amount to much more than educated guesses. As we've discussed before, there is very little actual science behind our knowledge and understanding of how and what we feed our dogs. Granted, much of it is pretty intuitive. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a canine is going to do well on meat, right?

All that being said, I think that while it may be correct to say that "dogs have no nutritional need for grass", perhaps they have SOME biological need for it other than nutrition and perhaps green tripe efficiently fills that need in some dogs. We all know that many dogs eat grass, some more than others, but nobody REALLY knows why. Maybe it's for the same reason humans will sit down and eat a bowl of high-fiber cereal. It's not so much for the nutrition but for other biological needs.

I'm going to keep an open mind on this green tripe thing. I don't presently feed it to my dogs for the same reason many others don't, the cost. But it's an interesting comment whiteleo made stating that "the dogs definitely don't need to eat grass like before". If you look at this issue simply based on that, it seems like there may be something to green tripe. What? I don't know. But something.

My female has been eating a lot more grass since she's been on PMR. She doesn't do it to induce vomiting and, predictably, it passes through her pretty much the way it went in. I've been wondering a bit about the whole grass thing lately because eating it has become a daily thing for her, which she only did occasionally and to induce vomiting when she was on kibble. Maybe for people who don't have grazing dogs, green tripe won't make a hill of beans difference. But for those of us whose dogs seem to need grass, perhaps this is the ticket. Just like people, every dog is a little different.

As a raw feeder, I find this topic interesting and worth exploring more. I encourage everyone to keep an open mind instead of arguing about who is right based on nothing more than that limited anecdotal knowledge we all have. Nutrition can be a complicated subject and sometime in our effort to simplify it, nuances that may be important to our dogs health can get lost in the process.

 

All that being said, I think that while it may be correct to say that "dogs have no nutritional need for grass", perhaps they have SOME biological need for it other than nutrition and perhaps green tripe efficiently fills that need in some dogs. We all know that many dogs eat grass, some more than others, but nobody REALLY knows why. Maybe it's for the same reason humans will sit down and eat a bowl of high-fiber cereal. It's not so much for the nutrition but for other biological needs.

My feeling is that if there were ANY need for it, wild wolves/dogs would eat it from their kill and they don't. I do know, however, from reports from people who do feed it that their dogs love it.

My female has been eating a lot more grass since she's been on PMR. She doesn't do it to induce vomiting and, predictably, it passes through her pretty much the way it went in.

Does it come out twisted into a neat little rope like it does when my dogs eat it? :smile: My dogs seem to eat more this time of year when the grass is young and tender. Other times of the year, they hardly touch it and usually throw up immediately if they do.

 

Whose feeding canned tripe? And stop with the bashing of tripe, I'm so tired of this sh*t it's not like it 's vegetables, just leave it! Actually it's probably why so many people leave this site after awhile because of the closed mindedness of the group.

 

Whose feeding canned tripe? And stop with the bashing of tripe, I'm so tired of this sh*t it's not like it 's vegetables, just leave it!

Excuse me? I have every right to recommend someone not feed it just as you have a right to recommend it.

I haven't seen ANY reason YET to spend the $$ on it for my dogs.

I've asked over and over WHY I should feed it and the only response I can ever get from anyone is "my dogs do great on it" (not sure what that means even) and "my dogs stopped eating grass when I fed it"

I don't feel that it's the "magical" food that some people do. I think it's entirely overpriced for what you're getting.

 

Well, lets see, dogs coat are much shinier and softer now than when I was only feeding a meat bones and organs, no more grass eating and tons more stanima, Cayenne hasn't luxated her patella since she's been eating the tripe trachea twice a week along with her swim therapy, and tomorrow I'm picking up as much FRESH lamb tripe as I want from the lambs that our group had buthchered and I don't have to pay a thing for it, so get OFF MY BACK, and RFD I'd like to see some pictures of your dogs to see how healthy they are!

 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Closed minded or not everyone must be treated with respect. Like we've come to realize we must agree to disagree on the tripe issue, let's just leave it at that. Let's all just let the OP come to their own conclusion on whether or not to feed it, based on what BOTH sides have to say about it.

 

But what I really want to know is when ranmiller says she feeds it, no one bats an eye, maybe thats why we don't hear from her anymore!

 

maybe thats why we don't hear from her anymore!

methinks she's busy with the house she just bought

You need to stop thinking that you're being picked on. You're not. You just happen to be the most outspoken person that feeds tripe.

Those of us that don't haven't found a good reason to feed it yet

 

Thats because you haven't tried it, how can you speak against something you've never tried, thats like the pot calling the kettle black in my book.

 

I've never fed my dogs kibble.... but I can advise people against feeding it.

Why should I try something when I haven't found a compelling reason to do so?

I started a thread about tripe weeks ago and gave you and others an opportunity to explain why we should consider tripe. I'm still waiting...

At this point I stand by my previous post. I won't feed tripe because I don't see a need for it and I would prefer to spend the $$ on a better quality meat source like game meat.

 

So your saying I don't feed game meat along with all this, my dogs have more variety probably then anyone on this board, including --- They get llama, lamb, beef, venison ostrich, moose, and all the normal stuff chicken, pork, fish organs all hormone and antibiotic free meat cause I think it will eventually kill all of us. So your saying you can't find it in your heart to try something that might help with your dogs discomfort of HD and just see if it might help alittle.

 

So your saying I don't feed game meat along with all this

No, I didn't say that. I said that I personally would rather spend the $$ on something NOT tripe

So your saying you can't find it in your heart to try something that might help with your dogs discomfort of HD and just see if it might help alittle.

I'm saying that I don't believe in the magical healing properties of tripe.

If you'd like to continue this discussion I ask that you take it to the tripe thread that was created for this purpose

 

I never was trying to argue against tripe. I responded to the other thread simply stating that I would personally rather spend the $$ on something besides tripe.

Could it help? Possibly...

So could buying other obscure meats that the dogs wouldn't normally get

I haven't completely removed tripe as a possibility, I just haven't found a reason to feed it. I do have an open mind about it, hence why I started this discussion in the first place

BTW, I'm picking up a whole Llama on Thursday that we had butchered. It'll make WhiteLeo happy to know that we're taking the tripe along with all of the other meat, bones & organs. I suppose that'll be our first introduction to tripe... :wink:

 

As usual, very well said, Jay. This is me thanking you twice. :wink:

I was actually thinking that same thing today (yes, I think about DFC even when I'm NOT here!), but you summed it up better than I would have.

Richelle

 

As usual, very well said, Jay. This is me thanking you twice. :wink:

I wish I could put my thoughts together as well as Jay does... :frown:

 

Ya know whats funny? When I joined I thought this was a support group for people like me who were interested in feeding raw and needed guidance. As well as those who were already feeding raw and STILL learning. I doubt anyone on this board is an "expert" on raw feeding because I dont feel as though a large enough body of research even exists on this topic to justify a person as an "expert". All that being said, I have seen a lot of close minded statements on this board and I just joined yesterday. I must say that I am quite disappointed. With the exception of JayJayisme, this person really has there stuff together, so whoever you are thank you for the harmony you bring to the board. I mean we are all supposed to be in this thing together, right?

 

Well, it's been an interesting thread no doubt and jay definitely has a way of putting everything into perspective so "thank you"
So, yesterday I went south to pick up fresh lamb tripe/sheep heads as part of the delivery train, did alittle shopping too! Good thing I brought a ice chest for mine as it was pretty warm out and that is some stinky, nasty stuff that hasn't been cleaned yet
I got home and immediately opened the bags to get them out and clean them outside with the gardenhose, poop, poop and more poop, smell, smell and more smell! Dogs were going crazy excited. One of the tripes still had some intestines attached and had to rip those off and something that I think was a lung, but not sure, should of fed it to the dogs anyway!
I love buying my tripe already cleaned and ground, that stuff is nasty and people do nothing but get their tripe this way all the time, cause its free. ICK

 

Good thing I brought a ice chest for mine as it was pretty warm out and that is some stinky, nasty stuff that hasn't been cleaned yet I got home and immediately opened the bags to get them out and clean them outside with the gardenhose, poop, poop and more poop, smell, smell and more smell!

Why hose it off? Couldn't you just feed it as is?

 

www.FidosFarm.com I kept tryin to get this website right, this is the farm that we get our lamb from, it's a working/dog training farm pretty interesting place.

 

Oh god no, they had just butchered the lambs yesterday and when you buy tripe that is ground, it is all at least rinsed out from the grasses and crap that is in there, what is the beneficial part of tripe is the enzymes that are trapped in the pockets of the lining, it looks like a really rough cows tongue, and you definitely don't want your dog eating poop!

 

Haha...there's poop in there? I thought it was just partially digested grass...LOL