My mom and I took Henry and Millie to the park today to take some photos of the dogs with our new cameras (she got a Canon 7D for Christmas!). Here are some of my favorites from my Nikon!:biggrin:
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What great photos and good looking dogs!!
Jealous of the super neat camera. TOtally blows my stupid point and shoot out of the water, of course.
Not so jealous of the prong collars.
Jealous of the super neat camera. TOtally blows my stupid point and shoot out of the water, of course.
Not so jealous of the prong collars.
Gorgeous photos and dogs!!! You're doing great with the camera so far....doesn't take long to get good at it!
I will also have to disagree with you about prong collars, they are a crutch. If positive methods werent working it probably has nothing to do with the fact that they were positive and just the fact that somewhere in the technique and methods of training were obviously sub par. Not every dog learns the same, but all dogs learn best with positive methods, there's no arguing that if you know dog behavior and training. We've had this discussion many times with many members and it never gets anywhere anyways because people are too engrained with their beliefs on what is ideal.
I will also have to disagree with you about prong collars, they are a crutch. If positive methods werent working it probably has nothing to do with the fact that they were positive and just the fact that somewhere in the technique and methods of training were obviously sub par. Not every dog learns the same, but all dogs learn best with positive methods, there's no arguing that if you know dog behavior and training. We've had this discussion many times with many members and it never gets anywhere anyways because people are too engrained with their beliefs on what is ideal.
Here are some more photos! These are actually taken by my mom with her new Canon 7D. She took photos of me taking photos :biggrin:
Re: positive methods - I have had great success using that method with Millie, for the most part. A handful of treats and I can generally trust her to heal off leash. However; when Henry comes along she tends to get over-excited. Yes, it may be the easy way out - but having complete control is what I chose yesterday because its hard to take photos with a dog dragging you around in the snow! If Henry hadn't been there, I most likely would have had the flat collar/martingale on her. I took Millie to Saks Fifth Avenue the other day (they allow all small dogs and all size poodles :biggrin
with just a flat collar and she never pulled.
I admit that Henry probably could be trained with lots of hard work to walk nicely without a prong collar. However, he is my mom's dog and it wouldn't be consistent because she will use the prong collar regardless. I have been so busy training my own dog that I just haven't had time to train Henry. I would love to though because when he pulls you while walking on ice...the result is painful! I have tried the handful of treats method with Henry and he simply doesn't care about treats during a walk. He is much more difficult to train to walk nicely than Millie and I am definitely open to any suggestions. I really don't want him to be on a prong forever!
with just a flat collar and she never pulled. I admit that Henry probably could be trained with lots of hard work to walk nicely without a prong collar. However, he is my mom's dog and it wouldn't be consistent because she will use the prong collar regardless. I have been so busy training my own dog that I just haven't had time to train Henry. I would love to though because when he pulls you while walking on ice...the result is painful! I have tried the handful of treats method with Henry and he simply doesn't care about treats during a walk. He is much more difficult to train to walk nicely than Millie and I am definitely open to any suggestions. I really don't want him to be on a prong forever!
It probably has a lot to do with the fact that he's your moms dog and not yours. Socialization and training should start at 8 weeks (even sooner if you can). So loose leash walking should be started at that point in life because most likely every 8 week old pup isn't going to pull on the leash...
ETA: I do want to add that when used correctly a prong collar is not harmful or dangerous. I also found that Millie learned commands much more quickly when I began using a prong collar. As a young puppy, I began training her with 100% positive methods/clicker training. This worked and she learned commands very quickly. However, I struggled very much to get her to be 100% reliable until I began using the prong collar. I would tell her to sit and she would lollygag before sitting. The prong collar taught her that she must sit - no questions asked. Purely positive training works for some people and an integrative approach (the approach I personally prefer) works for others. I respect that many people dislike prong collars but there are also many people that continue to use prong collars because they are an extremely effective and safe (if used properly) way to train a dog with 100% reliability. Some people may choose to use traditional training methods rather than purely positive methods because they refuse to let go of their beliefs, like you said danemama. But, many people (like me) have tried purely positive training and saw results but saw even better results when using a prong collar. I will never whip out a prong collar and start correcting a dog before I know that I am first being clear about my expectations of the dog and before I know that the dog understands what I am asking. I personally believe that a well balanced training approach includes both corrections and most importantly, lots of praise. There is a place for both positive and integrative training methods (when used correctly).
Okay - had to get that out. That's all I have to say about that! Now back to enjoying my photos! Tee hee.:biggrin:
Okay - had to get that out. That's all I have to say about that! Now back to enjoying my photos! Tee hee.:biggrin:
Awesome photos!! :biggrin: Beautiful subjects too!
I see nothing wrong the prong collars either :wink: Its what works for you and your dog. Sounds like you are using it correctly, which is using it it train to walk nicely because it is a training tool. Just like the EasyWalk Harness (which I used for Harleigh) and Gentle Leader - same "thing" or "purpose" as the Prong, just a different look.
I see nothing wrong the prong collars either :wink: Its what works for you and your dog. Sounds like you are using it correctly, which is using it it train to walk nicely because it is a training tool. Just like the EasyWalk Harness (which I used for Harleigh) and Gentle Leader - same "thing" or "purpose" as the Prong, just a different look.
Poodles truly ARE one of the best breeds out there IMO. Awsome gun dog, retreiver, family pet, and one hell of a looker!!! Pics are amazing, awsome job.:smile:
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