Not every food works with every dog! :wink:

I feed raw but use Orijen kibbles as training treats. Yes, the new formula.

The ingredients are still much better than the stuff you promote.

 

i havent had any problems on the new orijen formula. the changes are fairly subtle, but some dogs are sensitive even to subtle changes.

if there is something in champion pet foods causing organ failure, im sure sure we will all hear about it very soon.

 

the problem you have w/ the internet(and yes, I realize I'm on it now is this.... ANYONE can claim anything they want. There is no judge or jury to decipher what is being hurled around.

I just googled "how many dogs in the U.S."

Guess what the number is? 77 million. If 1/10th of a percent of those dogs got sick this afternoon, that is 70,000 sick Dogs.

Now, 70k Dog owners complaining online about their sick pups would cause one helluva fervor around the country, I can assure you. You'd probably say it was a pretty widespread epidemic. But if I told you your Dog had 1 in 1,000 of a chance to be one of the unlucky dogs, you probably wouldn't worry so much.

The internet is great but I do think it causes issues.

 

A great thing to do is go out and talk to your mom and pop store you buy the food at. Talk to people personally and get their honest opinions on the matter at hand. Or at any place you can chat about dog foods! And actually try it yourself so you can get the actual first hand experience with the new food. You may be surprised and find that it actually does work for your pup! Some people dont include what else they are giving their dogs and that it coulod be another problem that is causing their dogs to get sick. They jump at oh its that brand of dog food or this brand of dog food and they dont say but I was also feeding my dog cooked chicken and the cooked bones (which is a big no~no)at the time(I'm just saying this as a maybe you know just saying!!! not menaing its true) so I say dont trust everything you read! Not everyone goes into deatils about the little things they also give and do with their pups! Champion is not going to go and resort to lesser than great foods. They have a good repution and want to keep it.:happy:

 

A great thing to do is go out and talk to your mom and pop store you buy the food at. Talk to people personally and get their honest opinions on the matter at hand.

Some are dishonest when it comes to making a sale or not, but there are so many honest small shops out there- this is great advice.

As a raw feeder, I don't have first hand experience with new kibbles as they come out.... but I do have feedback from all of my customers on what's working for their pets, and I'm always more than happy to relay that information onto people who ask or need advice. Though it's not my own solitary experience, I do hold the feedback of many. :biggrin:

 

What's the website that you are quoting? You mentioned before that there were problems with Orijen/Champion/Canadian foods, and you haven't seemed to have explained how you came to those conclusions...

 

I love how you quote that, and just say from another website, what site??! Also the changes made to Orijen are pretty subtle. I'm having a hard time believing that someone will go from feeding the old Orijen formula, to this, and have organ failures.

 

That post came from Dogfoodadvisor.com Orijen Dog Food New Recipe Update It was a post made by a user named Shannon on Feb 14, 2011.

This is no more authoritative than someone making a post on Dogfoodchat.

 

There is a whole thread on the topic. This is not the only post. I heard this from several sources. It actually doesn't surprise me.

 

I hope what I read there doesn't happen to my Tess because if it does my mom will never trust me with dog food ever again. She just started on the 80/10/10 version.

 

I read all the complaints on dogfoodadvice.com, and I can't understand how changing to more fresh meats, and lowering the protein can cause such drastic changes to dogs who have been fed Orijen for years.

 

practicalfeeder,

You are now totally confusing me. In a previous thread started by myself asking folks for input on Petcureans Go Natural and NOW foods you said all Canadian foods were a waste of money, gimmicks, and that there are issues with Orijen's new formula. Then you begin this thread by stating you considered feeding it until you apparently read some review/thread.

You never did respond back to me after commenting in my thread, that is fine, but I'm finding it difficult to make much sense or place a lot of validity in what you are saying. Based on what you said in my thread why would you switch from Dr Tim's, National, Annamaet or some of the others used by Lance Mackay and Martin Buser since they have run the Iditarod and are not idiots.

As I stated in the petcurean thread I am a firm believer in not all dogs doing well on all foods. My guys did well on National and Annamaet, but I have learned there are better food options for my dogs now. When we fed National our dogs looked great and we always got nice comments, but a friend of ours tried it for several months and several of her dogs coats looked terrible and some really gained weight. She had never had that problem before.

In my book you feed the best quality food you can afford that also works for your dogs period.

Just what do you feed and what do you feel are good quality foods. In my book if your dogs are doing well I would pass no judgement on what you feed wether it be National, Annamaet, Orijen or Acana or for that matter lets throw in SOJOS as another option.

 

Dr Tim's, National, Annamaet

...The only formulas I might consider of okay quality out of ALL of the kibble options listed were Annamaet's grain free formulas...And I didn't even really like the looks of those...National and Dr. Tims didn't have any formulas I thought were anything close to suitable. But they're suitable in your eyes Practicalfeeder...for whatever reason that may be. All I can say to you is that our standards of quality food are obviously extremely different.

edit: I had to edit out "consider feeding my dog" because that was a word mishap. I wouldn't consider feeding my dog any of those foods.

 

In this case I think I am done bantering with practicalfeeder. I see too many inconsistent statements in the different threads where this person has replied. On two occasions I have allowed myself to become upset by this person's posts and it's obviously not worth it. I believe I even saw somewhere comments in one thread, likely the petcurean one where royal canin was suggested as well as Eagle Pack. Then later I believe I saw Royal Canin being bashed by practicalfeeder.

I wish I had known then what I know now or I would likely not have ever fed National, but I was also feeding six-7 sibes at the time and it was affordable and better than some foods. Annamaet grain free has come along since we originally fed it so I would look at that were I not already looking at those "waste of money, gimicky Canadian" brands. Oh, and maybe my eyes deceive me practicalfeeder but did I also see somewhere that you posted about Acana being a quality dog food? Giving you the benefit of the doubt I will assume in this case you forgot Acana is a Champion Pet Food product and based in Canada.

Okay.....breathing deeply now and done with practicalfeeder......is this the infamous claybuster folks??

 

It's not worth arguing with that user, I agree. Thought I'd just post my thoughts on the mentioned dog food brands.

I'd be interested to see your Siberians if you have pics or a pic thread!!! When I was little they and rottweilers were my favorite breeds, I wanted one of either breed forever. They're such beautiful dogs and the one in your avatar is stunning.

I like the look of the new orijen formula...If I weren't going to feed it to four big hungry dogs and a greedy dachshund I might just buy it. But we're probably switching to raw before that happens.

 

Ry-dick-u-lous!!!! The new formula is outstanding and if someone is bashing the food, I just take it as being another jealous salesman from abady or some other low grade dog food. People use fik-tic-is-names all the time, when slamming. Sure Orijen most likely won't work for a fat lazy couch potato dog and lazy owner, so they should be using the senior formula. My dog has never done good on any fish formulas, EVER!!! So I got a small bag of the new 6 fish just to see what would happen. He is doing great with that mixed in with the adult formula. I just don't buy into this crap about the new formula being bad. LOOK AT IT!!!! There is no dog food kibble made, even in it's league. People knew the new formula was coming and they should have taken the time to CHANGE SEMI SLOWLY...Look at it,,,sure the whole meats well move down some.

Fresh boneless chicken, chicken meal, fresh boneless salmon, turkey meal, herring meal, russet potato, peas, sweet potato, fresh boneless turkey, fresh whole eggs, fresh chicken liver, fresh boneless lake whitefish, fresh boneless walleye, sun-cured alfalfa, pea fiber, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), organic kelp, pumpkin, chicory root, carrots, spinach, turnip greens, apples, cranberries, blueberries, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary, vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, niacin, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, d-calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, selenium yeast, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Enterococcus faecium.

 

CavePaws,
Thanks, the pics are of Blaze the boy who has had some issues recently. Somewhere in the forum for photos I had posted some photos of our dogs, but it's probably a few pages back. If I remember correctly they weren't the greatest since I always found it challenging to either be running dogs and taking photos or handling for hubby and having a camera nearby. Plus I am computer challenged so posting pics was difficult for me. I also don't think I had managed to post all the photos of all 7 of our furkids. It is a breed we are totally smitten with. lol I'm sure if you go back through there you should be able to find two posts with some photos.

I am in total agreement with your comments about the dog food, and looking back 12-15 years I wish I had never fed National, like I said had I known then what I know now.... things would have been different. Even before Annamaet came out with the grain free their food had better ingredients, but I avoided the formula with corn.

Yeah, it was late last night when I finally decided practicalfeeder is not worth my time or energy. If they can't respect others and post consistent comments/thoughts then one has to wonder what their deal really is. lol

 

Lol, I've been wondering what practicalfeeder is trying to get out of this myself... Maybe a rise out of everyone because their comments seem to contradict most things people on this forum believe? I don't know, I just know they're not worth anyone's time really.

Well, honestly, I didn't know anything about dog nutrition when I got my first dog, and six dogs later, I'm still trying to get a handle on the real facts so I can feed them the optimum diet within my family's price range. When Indi was a puppy (around 10 wks), we were recommended Puppy Pro-Plan by the vet and guess what? That is what she ate the first couple of weeks I had her...:yuck: before the main trainer at my place of work nearly dipped me in boiling water for feeding her that junk. She would barely even touch the Pro-Plan unless I soaked it in water and sprinkled Solid Gold Seameal over it. Then we fed Natures Recipe to all of the pups&adults, then we were recommended Kirkland because apparently it was a better food for the cost...Then when we realized grains were pretty much killing our dogs we put them on CORE. Now I'm in the same position where if I had known, they would have been on a grain free, high meat diet all along. Lol, it's been a long journey. Poor Puck, our old dachshund terrier mix has seen it all and is finally getting what he truly deserves.

I'll go look for the thread of yours which has pics then!

 

I haven't followed every post in the thread but I'd summarize with one thought...

Orijen/Champion...unless they are lying and fabricating their entire ingredient list, I've never understood why anyone would argue that they are the ELITE of the kibble world. Tons of meat, impeccable sources for their ingredients(fresh Walleye, Whitefish, Free range chicken, etc...).

I suppose some Dogs may not do well on it due to it being a pretty robust/rich food and some of the ingredients just might not work for your Dog. But as a general statement, I think its fair to say that Orijen is simply in another category from most Kibbles.

 

CavePaws...Page 7 under pics there are two threads with some photos of the furkids!! Senior sibes at play and I forget the other thread name.

Way I see it we all have to start somewhere and learn. Being open minded to learning how to best care for our dogs is what it's all about. That's what you have done, that's what I try to do , and it's the best we can be expected to do.

 

Awesome! I'll have a look. :]

Kevin - I don't know why either. The ingredients list is pretty impeccable to me.

 

i looked at the new formula...if i were feeding kibble and i did at one time...i'd feed it. the new formula looks lovely.

 

Glad we agree

Nine inch nails, huh? Man I'm glad I went to college during the time I did. NIN, PearlJam, Nirvana, STP... awesome time.

 

You forgot THE CULT! :mullet: :rockon:

 

I saw STP a few months ago! Got the bass players pick and Preston our lab cracked it in half!!!!!!!! I was SO MAD. He's eaten 100 dollars before too. The pick I was more mad about because I scrambled like a mad woman for that thing and at the end of the concert found it under the foot of the guy next to me. LOL. Fun times.

Saw NIN too a year and a half to two years ago. It was a good concert!

Austin is a good place for concerts.

 

Austin is a good place for concerts.

Indeed. I've heard Austin is a pretty great place, PERIOD

Let me know if you want to trade places(Michigan)

 

You ask what practicalfeeder gets out of threads/posts like this? Attention. You've all noticed their style of posting...vague, contradictory, rude, uninformative, etc. We have seen a few members over the years here with a similar routine, and eventually they cross the line one too many times (we try and stay as open, non controlling as possible) and need to be banned for the greater good of the forum.

Just be patient and do your best to not let them get under your skin. The best thing to do is not pay that close of attention to them.

 

Yep, I don't really want to move away from here. I'd have to find a place that's pretty much as hippidy dippidy as it is here, I love the chill atmosphere. There are lots of opportunities to see really great concerts. The only thing I've never really disliked are the hot summers. They're pretty terrible at times.

Danemama - Agreed. In the years I've participated on forums there's almost always someone who runs about the boards drying to dig their way under people's skin. I'll be good to ignore most of what is being said, as I pointed out, people who insult others during a debate shows insecurity and perhaps even doubt in the validity of their knowledge.

 

:sad:
I wish Orijen would make a food for dogs with allergies/sensitive stomachs. One with their high quality and high meat content, but limited number of ingredients (and a novel meat). Sigh.

 

Let me ask you this, did this person on another site have to sign in???? Even if they did, all they have to do is clear cookies and sign in with another name.

""90% of people who bash Orijen work for other dog food companies."" People who say their dogs vomit or have explosive diarrhea after eating Orijen sure aren't pulling the wool over my eyes and are just flat out lying. If a dog gets sick after eating Orijen there is something seriously wrong with that dog.

I would bet just about anything this post was made by someone who works for another dog food company and most likely abady,

 

I just went to the mom and pop store I go to one of 4 I now have around me. I had to get more wet food anyway while I was there since I chit chat with the owners I nonchalantly asked about if they have had any complaints with the new Orijen formula. I even asked any returns anyone say their dog was getting sick! He looked (its a man and his wife they have a baby who run the place Just to clarify Oh and its Called Fetch) anywho~~~ after my drilling questions The owner said Ummm Exactly he didn't know what I was talking about he said no one has ever returned a bag nor has he had any complaints about this food. He actually has had people compliment the food and said the people who complimented it loved the new food. So This is word of mouth and a lot of folk I know in my area do visit this place so I don't think for a small business he would want to jeopardize that at all. He's not going to lie and tell me that he has never had anyone return it and ruin the business. He has never heard any complaints and has never had a return that is that! So whatever BS anyone is starting on the Internet they can be causing law suits for false statements. So far this is one place now next week I will go to Raining cats and dogs and do the same scenario and see what they have to say!

 

Ooooh Austin! That's on my list of places I think I'd like to live. I dont think I could handle the summers though But it seems like an amazing place.