A larger male Chesapeake bay retriever or gordon setter? Maybe a bouvier or a briard?

 

Can you elaborate on the purpose or job you are looking for from this high energy dog? Each breed has their pro's and con's, one might be suited better than another so if you mention what you hope to accomplish with this dog then maybe you can get some better answers

 

Well its like big dogs. I feel safer with big dogs. I do a variety of things with my dogs (from rally to weight pull to just hiking and having fun) I need a dog with drive. Be it herding, treeing, retrieving, doesn't make a difference to me. I adore energetic drive-y dogs. All the breed has to do is fit that standard, and I'll do what it takes to give it an outlet. For instance, I took up small game hunting for Maddie (who is a Carolina dog/pointer mix) and for Moose we play fetch for hours, take him swimming, we've gone duck hunting a couple times. I love that my dogs force me to step out of my comfort zone and get outside and try new things. I've highly considered a shepherd of some sort. I'd love an APBT, but they are just too small for what I'd like right now.

 

Working bred GSD, not some flimsy, squatty show bred GSD. They're HIGH energy and have TONS of drive LOL

 

i have a show dog and he's not flimsy or angulated. show lines work.

 

Or a Hound - English Foxhounds get big, especially the males. And they have amazing noses - you could probably get into tracking, and scent work. My mom breeds them if you're ever interested, I can give you her contact details =)

 

I really think a big, male Chessie would fit what you are looking for. They have pretty serious drive.

 

German Shepherd or Labrador. Loyal, protective, and will go as far as you go. I got a Husky for the exact same reasons but they don't fit the weight you are looking for. They max out at 60lbs.

 

Are malamutes high energy?

 

Yes and no lol They are a lot different they Huskies; they are more than happy to be couch potatoes. But they were bred to pull heavy loads for short distances; very strong and have adequate endurance. I'm not too familiar with the breed but I'm sure that they would be more than happy to hike for hours. =)

 

You down to train something hardcore, high strung and be "working" for every single hour in the day? Mal.

They will for sure take you out of your comfort zone.

As for the APBT, they make up in drive, will, and inner strength (as well as outer) for any "weight" or "size" issues you have. Just be ready for DA/Prey drive out the ass if you get a real working bred dog. They are, imo the dogs dog. Everything you could want or need in a dog, ever.

jmo

 

I totally agree with you about the apbt. Every ones I've ever met is spitting image of what I want. Except the size. I know they are a lot of dog in a little package but I need a big dog right now what about a malinios (sp )

 

Same deal with them - but you could get a Shiloh Shepard. They come in at over 100lbs be it male or female. They live longer than your average GSD as well.

 

I've only owned labs and mutts thus far, and aside from hunting we've done rally obedience (just at home courses) some agility stuff at home as well. Im not sure I will be ready for a Mal by the time I'm ready for a pup, I'm leaning towards working line German shepherd. what about Beaucerons?

 

Maybe you should just go with a working lab? The ones used for hunting and such, much higher energy and healthy, still large dogs. Smarter and more suited for agility and keeping you busy but no so wild you need to enroll in a 12 step lol

 

If you're looking to go away from the gun dog you could go with a coonhound. Buck is a bluetick and should be around 80 lbs. He has tons of energy, has a HIGH drive, and is the smartest dog I have ever had. Stubborn, but sharp. He learned how to use the light switches in my house in 3 days.

If you wanted to do some hunting with a bluetick you could. We are working on doing conformation, competitive obedience, and, if I can find somewhere to do so, do some tracking and eventually Search and Rescue.

There are a ton of things you can do with a good coonhound.

 

Of course for me a working line doberman is the first breed that comes to mind. I would say malinois but I think they might be a little on the small side for you. Maybe a well bred GSD from working lines. Or a giant schnauzer?

 

I'll give you two very different alternatives: Flatcoated Retriever and Anatolian Shepherd. The flatcoat is extreme energy and highly trainable. The anatolian is extremely assertive and is the king wherever he or she goes. Tough and not for inexperienced owners.

 

Working Giant Schnauzers are awesome dogs - we have some in our club. The only thing I don't like about them is the hairy faces that get kind of disgusting lol. Working line GSD would be a good choice if you're interested in doing protection sports, same with Mals.

Most Malinois will not get to be that large, there are some that do (I own one that is 90lbs) but those are quite rare. They are definitely a lot of work but certain lines are less intense than others.

 

Working lines:
Cane Corso
Dogo
Presa Canario

All great breeds for personal protection, and many different sports along those lines. Large and in charge.

 

Are all of the bully breeds too small for you? Male bull terriers can supposedly get quite large, but they are pretty squat and heavily built. They are really high energy though. I agree on the previous suggestion of a dogo.. but have you had enough experience for one? A well bred working dog is quite a bit different from your average mutt or pet labrador.

 

Malamute, Rottweiler, or GSD.

 

Also Newfie.

 

American Bulldogs, i have 4 and i think there great dogs. I would go with a female as there easier going as far as im concerned. My
web page Blank page has some pics of my dogs on there. My oldest girl patches about 3 ish has the best temperment i ever seen on a dog ever. Her daughter 1 year old has a great gentile mood as well. The boys are harder and can be dog aggresive twords other males, poppabill

 

Please, there are quite a few great large working breed dogs out there, I'll probably get flamed for this but run FAR FAR away from the Shiloh Shepherds! They are nothing more than a designer mutt with the ridiculous price tag that goes along with it. From what I have learned, many come from unscrupulous breeders who care nothing about the genetic aspects of breeding.

 

Tara, don't they breed true though? If so, then they are a breed aren't they?

I'd not consider getting one from a breeder who does not health test and raise indoors though..

 

No they don't breed true. They are still a breed in development. There are quite a few Shiloh registries now that stray from what the originators of the breed had in mind. So now there are "breeders" that form their own clubs and "breed standards" to allow for lax breeding practices to produce more puppies.
I don't even think the people who have stuck to the original club have dogs that breed true.

Not that that would turn me away from these dogs if that's what I really wanted. I would just make darn sure I would research breeders who stick to the original idea of the "old style shepherd" that produce healthy, stable, intelligent dogs.

I guess what I should have said....is really do your homework if this type of dog appeals to you.
This is a subject I've looked into quite a bit because my sister has one of these dogs. She is a dog trainer, and the breeder insisted that she have a pup. She was knowledgeable enough to pick out a sound puppy. ( After researching discovered the history of the "breed" he is not from reputable lines) Two pups died from the litter from MegaE. One poor pup had one genetic issue after another and had to be PTS at six months. I think two more of the pups are displastic. My sister's dog only has skin issues, and a sensitive stomach. Behaviorally, he is not stable, I don't think any of the pups are. Breeder went on to produce another litter from the same parents :frusty:I know that is a bad experience from one bad apple, but there are more of them out there than the good ones regarding the Shilohs

Google anything written by Tina Barber, the originator of the Shilohs, and you'll see what I mean.

 

Shiloh seem to be the Shepards, American Bully lol
My friend really wants one though and she has been doing her research for 4 years now and probably wont get one for a few more years.

I would say if she had more experience she could go with the Cane Corso, Dogo, Presa Canario but she doesnt, those are large breeds and they require tons of work and training, not for the novice owner at all.

I second some kind of Shepard possibly a more working bred GSD, as well as the Schnauzer! I had a mini Schnauzer and he was to put it lightly, A BADASS!
I wouldnt mind a Giant Schnauzer, they seem very awesome and not to screwed up like some other breeds. As for the face hair, shave it! Lol thats what we did.
They are down to do whatever you ask and they are really attached to their people.

I like the idea of a well bred AmBulldog too, they are pretty awesome dogs and like most Bull breeds they can and will excel at most sports