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Raw feeding question - Poodle Forum - Standard Poodle, Toy Poodle, Miniature Poodle Forum ALL Poodle owners too!

After post #7 is where things go down.

 

That thread got a little cranky but compared to other forums except for this one remained very tame. Maybe a poodle thing - you all are so civilized (LOL) You made many valid points the only other thing you might have done is ignore the two you knew were just there to disagree and find fault. They will always be there. Don't cast your pearls, etc. You had a very good discussion though and your points and rebuttals were well thought out. Sometimes people just want to take their toys and go home when they are out smarted.

 

Do horses really pick up small animals and eat them as they graze?

Oh I KNOW this is wrong - hummingbirds do NOT lvie off of plant derived foods. A large part of their diet is protein - as in softshelled flying insects.

 

You just made my day! Ha ha!

 

It is nice that you took the time to post so much information - even if some people will argue with you, there are likely to be some who may not even post in that thread who will look into it further.

And i agree - you are all so polite!

 

Yay! Love the thread! I am in one as well.

Seborrhea and Protein?- Dog Nutrition

Apparently it's impossible for dogs to eat pork ribs.

 

Funny, because that is what mine had for breakfast today! :wink:

 

My 6lb IG can eat pork ribs but apparently their pit bulls can't. It's an interesting thread, though.

 

nice work for fighting for raw. i honestly never have the balls to stand up for myself for a lot of things. The woman at the rescue told me that nutro and totw were the same grade..and she wasnt being rude, but i just nodded and said alright.
heck even GRAIN FREE nutro doesnt come close to sierra mountain tots

 

Don't feel bad - when the ER vet told me to buy his Science Diet, and when i told him I didn't want to feed corn to my dogs, and he told me corn was good for dogs, I didn't say anything. It just didn't seem worth it. In fact, i even bought a bag of the stuff and then fed it to the squirrels. They like corn.

 

Do you know what is funny? I NEVER even noticed that line. Was that said in the thread that I linked? It is such an absurd statement that I must have just crossed right over it.

 

Hehe, I really LOVE discussions like that. I have only read the first 3 pages but I have some suggestions. To the person insisting on studies ... ask her why she doesn't ask for studies that prove kibble is even close to as nutritous as PMR. PMR has been around for a million years and has withstood the test of time but kibble for only about 60 years or so but no one seems to want kibble companies to prove how nutritious or appropriate for dogs to eat. Why not? Kibble is actually the FAD diet, PMR is the old "proven by time" stand by.

I think its the same person who works with lukemia patients and the doctors she works with agree that dogs carry bacteria that is dangerous to these people. Her patients are not allowed to be around pets for 3 to 6 months after treatment. Ask her if she has any first hand knowledge of actual patients who were made sick by dogs. As her for studies that prove being around dogs is harmful to immunocompromised patients. I suspect the doctors just "KNOW" this without any basis of proof.

As for the person who worries bout bacteria in the fur of raw fed dogs. Of course if they roll around on their meal before they eat it they MIGHT have bacteria on their fur but since they don't, they don't.

You've done good, Grasshopper. You learn well. :biggrin: (Most of y'all are probably too young to understand that.) :smile:

 

When you posted this I was just on my phone so not able to say anything....but....

Of course if they roll around on their meal before they eat it they MIGHT have bacteria on their fur but since they don't, they don't. Oh..if only Rhett knew this rule!:tongue1: I swear some times I have a black and pink dog not a black and white dog!!LOL :laugh:

You've done good, Grasshopper. You learn well. :biggrin: (Most of y'all are probably too young to understand that.) :smile:

Hey...Im only 23(tomorrow) and I TOTALLY understand that!:tongue1: :biggrin:

 

Kung fuuuu!... I think. I might be 22 but I didn't grow up in a bubble. :wink:

 

you could steer her to the white paper by orijen. it comes as close to a study as i've seen. it was written in 1998 and published by a kibble company. a fine one at that.

personally, brownie...i think you were eloquent....and you presented your case to some who heard and some who choose to continue to believe what they believe....who knows? what you said may fall on fertile lurker ground....

brownie....raw fed people are rough around the edges LOL?

Also, if you don't like the attitude of the Raw Meaty Bones and Prey Model Raw people, and yes, they can be a little rough around the edges, that, again, is a problem with the humans, not an inadequacy of the diet. If you find someone who is promoting a product, I personally would run far away.

i read the entire thread, but that line was hilarious.....you were really getting revved up, weren't you?

bill....some of us are old enough to remember 'grasshopper'....

 

you could steer her to the white paper by orijen. it comes as close to a study as i've seen. it was written in 1998 and published by a kibble company. a fine one at that.

brownie....raw fed people are rough around the edges LOL?

Maybe? Sometimes? Passionate is what we are. :wink: I was just trying to appease her LOL.

 

Just reading that made me tired! You are to be congratulated Great rebuttals. However, My Working Dog Rottweiler & my Terrier APBT were insulted that anyone would even think that they lived outside. <LMBO> These too will X their legs rather than go out if it is sprinkling, if it is too cold or if it is (GA) too hot-I tell them that they wouldn't survive a day on the streets. Guess that I've never really been around poodle people. The voices that I was assigning to some of them made ME laugh. Keep up your excellent work & keep those paws clean.

 

I would not have the patience for that. That's all I can say. Well done.

 

This was a great read on a Sunday morning! Poodle people are a whole different breed (haha). They are so polite to each other. Who knew that dogs needed snood's and bracelets just to eat breakfast! I need to get Rocky a new wardrobe.

And I never missed an episode of Kung Fu, grasshopper!

 

the visual i got was hilarious...but i can totally understand it....these dogs have 'dos.....ya know?

i can't even imagine what it takes for the upkeep of those cuts....such an elegant breed, though...

 

The part about horses eating small animals reminded me of this video: Cow eats a baby chicken!! - YouTube

Obviously not a horse, but it sure isn't impossible that herbivores eat the occasional animal...

 

I'm sure it could happen - but by the sentence she posted, I have this vision of horses accidentally gobbling down small mice as they obliviously run between their teeth as they graze.

 

Oh, trust me, poodle people get pretty intense when breeding issues come up. The birds were chirping in this thread.

 

Good job, Brownie! Oh, and not to go OT - but what did you ever decide to feed Tiger? Are you doing PMR while he's staying with you, and premade raw or Acana at the handler's? I think I saw a video of him munchin' down on some RMB's you posted a bit ago...

 

Well, he is sort of eating a conglomeration of things. He eats raw meaty bones (chicken backs, turkey necks, ribs), premade raw, Orijen,The Honest Kitchen, raw tripe, canned tripe, healthy table scraps, and I usually throw a little bit of the other poodles' boneless raw in with whatever he is eating. Honestly, part of my goal is for him to have a very adaptable, adjustable digestive system. Iwant him to be used to a varied diet. Even more than I believe raw is ideal, I also really don't believe in feeding the same thing day after day after day. I see too many kibble fed dogs that cannot eat anything different than what they are used to. My goal with Tiger is, even though I have him on some processed food right now, to have as much adaptability as possible.

He goes to the handler's on Wednesday and will be there until September. I am sending him off with Orijen and Primal Raw. I'll have her do about 1 1/2 cup Orijen for breakfast and 1-2 primal patties for dinner.

 

That zyrcona person thought dogs had detached jaws allowing for up down and side to side chewing capabilities, honestly I wouldn't have entertained him from that point on, not to mention that cooked food is better than raw abundant chelates from organs? Wth, troll, I would be the better man and get out of that thread, I'm a botanist of sorts and we know the quality derived from organic sources must be varied to get all required nutrients.

Brownie I like u already, it's funny, you could never balance a dry dog food for the whole genome, however with raw and variation I say um yeah u can. Well played!

 

You're right, I should be the bigger one, but I just CAN'T help myself! LOL. I am going to make a fool of myself soon, though.

 

You were pretty epic in that thread, ChocolateMillie. It did get a little catty for a moment or two there, not so bad by PF standards, but still, I could sense your frustration.

I used to be quite the raw proselytizer, but at some point I kind of gave up. I'll still promote raw where I can, and answer questions for the truly curious, but I'm so casual about it now and have been doing it for so long that all the protests just seem kind of silly. And then, one can always tell when it's one of those people who simply will not change their minds no matter what. The best you can do is what you did: provide cogent rebuttals for the poor arguments, and then let it go and let people draw their own conclusions.

Keep fighting the good fight!

--Q

 

I am still trying to figure out what that person is referring to when they state that child rearing is heavily regulated. Am I missing something substantial?

 

Im trying to understand that as well! Sounds like a ton of BS to me!!

 

I'm not a raw feeder (doing half kibble and half home-cooked at the moment), but I've found the raw posts on this forum interesting. So, I read the entire thread you linked to on the poodle forum.

From a purely debate perspective, I honestly think you had the upper hand until you inserted what some might term a personal attack in your post #47. That's when you said that the other poster lacked common sense and you really found it hard to take her seriously. From there, the whole thread went downhill with some mild mudslinging; and your well-stated previous points probably got lost. I could tell how frustrating it was for you; but as magicre said: gotta know when to fold 'em.....

 

Gotta work on my debate skills! To be honest, until that post you speak of, I was trying very hard to hold my composure and maintain credibility. Unfortunately, I found a few things so hilarious, namely bears and dogs sharing identical dental structure and social services checking up on children's nutrition (which I now realize must have been a cultural difference), I just gave up and let myself cave in. Probably should have kept biting my tongue, but, OH WELL!

Grr.. Gotta work on my debate skills

 

I came across this statement from a whippet breeder in the 50's: "My dogs eat natural foods and meat. Fresh meat is very important. All these prepared dog foods have too many preservatives in them. I don’t want my dogs eating that." - and this is from the 50's!

If she knew then that the pre-packaged foods were full of junk... why are we still banging our heads over it today?

 

Read the threads on those forums...

Please excuse me while I go headdesk myself to death.