I fed the puppy vantage to Abbie when she was little, and both dogs have had the Great Plains Feast and Primitive Natural. Abbie has done AMAZING on both. She loves the GPF especially. I like their small breed formula too. I do think I tried a bag of Ocean Fusion at one point, but can't remember how it went, sorry ;( I used to work for them, they are a great company.

 

I know the grain free fish is VERY fishy smelling. Never been around the other.

I know a lot of people who use Earthborn.

They are made by propac dog food- so that's a downer.

 

You are saying Midwestern Pet Foods is a downer? Perhaps you shouldn't be giving advice. That is great EU Cert. plant with a great team of people. Never a recall, unlike Diamond and Champion. Easily one of the best plants and most ethical people around.

Earthborn is a really good food and a great value, and so is Pro Pac.

If someone has the choice between Taste of The Wild and Earthborn, Earthborn for sure.

As for the Omega 3's, I would leave that to the nutritionist there. I am sure he or she knows how to formulate.

 

I have mixed feeling about the company, for the price their food has decent ingredient, but the company has been less then forthcoming about disclosing protein levels of meat vs plant protein, which makes me think, they've got something to hide. I tried Uno on primitihve natural and while he liked the taste, I noticed that his teeth got a lot more buildup then any other food I tried.
But then again, every dog does differently, so its worth a shot.

 

Yeah, I actually don't have a problem with Midwestern Foods and I agree, I would feed it over anything at Diamond.

 

I really like their customer service - they seem REALLY involved in answering peoples questions, on FB, email, etc. I asked them about kibble size on facebook and got a response right away. I really like that

 

My two LOVED Primitive Natural when they ate it. Neither seemed to particularly care for the Great Plains Feast.
I don't know much about the company. They are an Indiana company, which I like. They seem to be concerned about the environment. One of our local supplies stores frequently has drawings for free trees, that is sponsored by Earthborn.

 

I got a sample bag of Great Plains Feast and Jackson is going to town! I'll see how it goes.

 

I wasn't saying its a bad food. I just have my doubts of the company. I buy earthborn for my rats and I recommend it to quite a few friends and customers that are on a budget. Its not a bad food.

Now propac, I've had major issues with in the past. It's also IMO not a quality food. More or less Purina o pedigree quality.

As xeilli said, recalls don't mean much and the EU doesn't either.

The. Only thing I worry about with earthborn is the quality of ingredients. And that's because I've not gotten any good solid information on it.

 

More foolish statements by both you an Xeilli. Is any kibble as good as fresh food in good balance, NO, but when someone says the ingredients used in Aphis EU doesn't mean much doesn't know a thing about pet food. Do some other plants without a Cert make good foods, but the presence of rules means a lot

No recalls doesn't mean anything?

Is your choice of pet food APHIS EU Certified?

Nothing is perfect, but in the kibble world it means a lot.

 

I don't have much input except that I wanted to let you know that the Ocean Fusion does not have the strong fishy smell that the grain-free Coastal Catch has. One of my clients feeds her two westies the Ocean Fusion and I've never noticed a strong fishy smell when I feed them (I suppose because it's not very high meat content). Also the kibbles are pretty large, I think I remember you saying Jackson prefers large kibble in one of your previous posts. Her westies have ridiculously sensitive stomachs and she feeds them the Ocean Fusion in the AM and NV Raw Lamb in the PM and they do surprisingly well (for such a complicated diet with a lot of ingredients). I have a lot of positive feedback on Earthborn (both the regular and grain-free formulas) from customers.

 

I AM an expert. I am an expert on everything

 

If your really wish to go on with this, why not make your own thread and not take over what this one was really about.

 

Glad he is liking the food so far Brittany. I keep that in Abbie's rotation because it's affordable and Abbie always does amazing on it.

I trust earthborn, as a former employee and now, just as a consumer. Just because they are made by propac, who cares? They took a step in the right direction and created a much better food at a decent price. Like someone else said, I'd much rather feed earthborn over a diamond food. Right now the only foods I'm feeding Abbie are earthborn, Fromm and champion.

 

Hershey123(notachampionfan),no one is going to listen to your bullshit when you are rude like that.

 

He had a great poop this morning! hehe... I did a cold turkey switch, so was expecting maybe a soft poo, but nope. He had it for a late breakfast around 10:30 and dinner around 6 yesterday, and pooped this morning.

 

Sounds like you found yourself a kibble!!!! Whoo hoo for great poop!

 

Glad to hear it! Abbie's poops are AMAZING when she eats that food. By far the best she ever has. Probably will give her that kibble next. Right now she's eating Fromm's Gamebird Grain Free. But she looooooooooooves the Earthborn lol.

 

I feed Earthborn as part of my rotation. Dogs are eating Meadows Feast right now and love it. I have 6 dogs on it and they are all doing great. They do a lot better on Earthborn than Orijen, Acana, Evo, etc. Might not have as much meat, but dogs are healthier and look better on it and I can afford it so I'll keep feeding it.

 

I fed Patches a one 6 pound bag of the PN and she liked it and had small poops. I didn't continue to feed it because the ash is 12% and that made me nervous.

 

I know nothing about ash in dog food....is the 12% a high amount of ash? Why is that not good?

 

Where'd you see the ash content listed on the Earthborn site?

 

I emailed them and asked the ash percentage for all of their formulas.

 

Hmmm.... something to think about for sure. I have never really paid attention to ash content before.

 

You should especially for toy breeds!!!!!!!!

5-7% for the little guys

 

Gah, now I'm all unsure again. I've never really looked into the ash thing before, but was just reading a bit about it.

Are all of their formulas high in ash?

Jeez, I'm almost ready to just go to feeding something real simple again, like California Natural Lamb & Rice and topping it with canned, meat, etc. Lol. I like that they always list their full nutrient analysis and give you maximum levels of protein/fat, etc, including levels of ash, etc.

I think I've just been reading too much because I'm starting to almost trust, like, no one! LOL... I'm getting too picky.

 

I completely agree. This is why I prep my dogs food. It helps me sleep at night knowing that if anything goes wrong it is my fault and I have a good idea on how to fix it. I suppose for some people that might actually keep them up at night.

I'm not sure if I would change now if he is doing fine on it. I hate wasting money so I'd finish the bag before making the switch.

 

@Jacksonsmom ASH for the Great Plains is 9.8, Coastal Catch is 7.5 , Adult Vantage is 6.7, Ocean Fusion is 8.8, Small Breed is 8 and Puppy Vantage is 8.1. All as fed basis.

 

Oh, okay, so it's not 12%? That's definitely better. Still a bit high at 9.8, I guess, but definitely sounds better than 12. lol

 

The Primitive Natural is 12%.

 

I think I'm just going to suck it up and keep him on Acana. I think it's just me that gets bored, then I read things about Champion on the internet, and probably think too much into it. I have no reason to switch other than cost and distance of getting the food, but he's done so well on duck & pear, and lamb & apple, and I probably shouldn't mess up a good thing. I'm too wish-washy and probably need to stop reading so much on the internet! LOL.

I noticed the Chicken & Burbank potato is cheaper, and while it's not in the 'singles' line... it's still fairly limited ingredient, IMO, and he's never had an issue with chicken before so I'm not worried about a chicken allergy or anything. Probably give it a shot. We did two bags of duck & pear and two (or maybe three now?) bags of lamb & apple and had nothing but good results. I may just start ordering food online, it'll probably be cheaper in the long run. Naturalk9supplies has chicken formula for $13.99 for a 5lb bag.

I'll probably just return the big bag of Earthborn that I bought (I had a tiny 1lb bag of the great plains, and bought a 6lb bag of meadow feast since there was no samples). They accept returns on opened bags even with receipts.

 

How do we calculate ash? What do we add up? I'd like to go through and do it for Abbie's various kibbles.

Bummed you won't be giving the GPF a go Brittany, but ya gotta do what makes you comfortable

 

Well, I'm still gonna use up the GPF 1lb bag I have. The 6lb bag I may return tomorrow is the lamb one (Meadow Feast)... or maybe I'll just exchange it for a bigger bag of GPF and at least feed one bag and see the results. I'm not worried about one bag, or anything. But I don't think I'll be stopping the Acana is all. I just feel like he's always done so well on it and then what happens is I just get bored or wanna try other food, and then read too much into things -- I guess was my point, haha.

 

I've been looking into Earthborn a bit and it does seem like a good food from a good-ish company. I just still feel it's very important to add in O3s and supplemental meat to ANY kibble. :smile:

Do they make cat food?

 

Yep. My cat loved their Wild Sea Catch grain free kibble, they also have one other grain free formula. I switched him to an all canne diet and he loves their Chicken formula.
http://www.earthbornholisticpetfood.com/us/cat_formulas/wild_sea_catch/ingredients.php
http://www.earthbornholisticpetfood.com/us/cat_formulas/primitive_feline/ingredients.php