I don't believe Acana or Orijen (as per their ingredients and website) do and I don't think Fromm would either.I'm sure there are others also.

 

All fresh fish are passed ‘fit for human consumption’

Our whole eggs are table grade eggs that are ‘fit for human consumption

All ORIJEN fresh meats (chicken, fish, turkey, eggs) are of table quality and passed fit for human consumption before arriving at Champion.

Our chicken, fish and turkey meals are produced exclusively from animals that are certified as fit for human consumption by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA).

Champion Petfoods | F.A.Q

 

key word used is ''before arriving at orijen''
isnt the word human grade a hoax?
ive heard orijen and acana don't denature their meats either.

 

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i don't think it would be fair to say that all kibble companies use 4d animals.

i do believe there are some who do.

i also know raw feeders who buy 4d meat.

I've fed raw 4D meats...

"Dead, Diseased, Dying, Disabled" maybe 5d could be Decaying!? :thumb:

We fed a road killed squirrel and rabbit... I've also forgotten meats in the refrigerator for weeks which I would very much put into the "decaying" category :lol:

 

I think most do, at least to some extent, but not all of them do.
I trust Fromm (and wish it were locally available so I could recommend it to my clients more!!) Champion, and Honest Kitchen in terms of quality probably more than any other company.

 

Some say they don't. I don't know how much or even IF those kinds of statements are regulated by the government.

If you trust the companies, then you can believe that some do not use 4D animals because they say they don't.

 

What do you think would happen to a tiny company like Fromm (or similar) if they where caught telling blatant lies? Do you think they would risk it all for a lie that is not needed in the first place? The big multinational corporations can get away with murder, Fromm can't. Trust and quality is their ticket to success since they are unable to compete on volume and price.
On the other hand, 4d or not, doesn't mean much without details. Can be absolutely fine for a carnivore or it can be bad, but the easy way is just to stay clear of course.

 

there IS no such term as "human grade" meat. it is, of course, another marketing ploy to make people think they are getting something of better quality.

The grades of meat are choice, prime, select, standard, commercial, utility, cutter, and canner.

The USDA grades nothing "HUMAN GRADE." It is ANOTHER LIE.

 

ya..although it is comforting to hear they do not denature the meat.

 

Oh, and another thing. I buy ungraded meats. No inspection at all by the USDA. And i believe it is much better meat than I get in the grocery store; it may have a few feathers on it, or some blood clots, but it's grass-fed meat.

I would much prefer that over most of the graded USDA meat. I really doubt "prime" or "choice" grades are going into dog food. More like "canner" meat which is the scraps of meat blown off with water from a cow carcass and made into mush for hot dogs. Humans can eat it, but is it good meat???

 

Champion does not use denatured meals in their food. Theres a certification called EPHIS/EU meaning the food must be passed as fit for human consumption before its imported to other counties, therefore it cannot be denatured.

The European regulations state "The legislation prohibits the use of any rendered protein which was obtained from animal carcasses that were unfit for human consumption as an animal feed ingredient or for pet food.

Is your choice of pet food APHIS EU Certified?

 

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i have heard of ungraded meats....because it's so expensive to get meat graded..be it prime, choice, select, or 4D......but i've never heard of a retailer selling non usda inspected meat....i thought that was law....

I don't believe the raw dog food supplier I use is inspected by the USDA. I could be wrong, but I also don't think My Pet Carnivore is USDA inspected because it's not meant for human consumption.

It all has a big label on it - NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.

 

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ok. now i'm confused...they have to mark proteins as not for human consumption if it's going to be dog food...even if it is.....

the food that i'm buying from a ranch sells to restaurants so it's very much human consumable but it won't be labelled as such because it's being sold as dog food, which means they can sell it cheaper.

i guess i thought you were saying that the meat you bought for YOUR consumption was not usda inspected....

time for me to get off this computer LOL

or me!! I may be making incorrect assumptions here. I just figured because of the labels, they are not inspected. However, upon thinking about it, they ALL don't have that label.

The cod and salmon doesn't. Nor do the turkey necks. It's the ground up stuff, and the whole chickens, and the organs. So maybe some of it is inspected.

I know Texas Tripe also sells "people food."

 

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most of the stuff we buy from our co op is dog food so we can buy it cheaper but it's better than any meat we can get at a grocery store.

I feel that way too. You can tell by looking at a piece of meat whether it's decent or not. Actually My Pet Carnivore I thought had alot better quality meat. Texas Tripe, not so much. I'm not sure I'd eat alot of it. Especially the ground meat. It doesn't have a good texture - it's paste rather than ground meat - and it doesn't say "whole ground chicken" - it just says "chicken with bones." And no other meat, like the turkey and goat i got from MPC.

I'm looking on craigslist to see if I can find a grinder, just because I don't like not trusting what's in that ground stuff.

 

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I actually didn't worry about it with MPC because it was ground very coarse and i could see the actual meat, tendons, and bones. This new stuff DOES look like pink slime!!!

 

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i was just noting that the news report i saw says that the usda does not insist that supermarkets reveal that pink slime is being used in meats sold to humans....and this is the usda.

one such store that uses it is walmart...and they don't have a problem with it, because, as the lady who is the spokesman for the company that produces this crap.....says...'it's meat. it's beef. we don't have to reveal any foreign ingredient because it's beef.'

i almost fell over, because geez, how about revealing the ammonia that is sprayed on pink slime.

Oh yes, none of us need to know that our hamburger is full of trash crap that would otherwise go to the rendering plant, treated with ammonia, and put in what we THINK is ground beef.

And actually, it's sold as ground beef but that's not what it is. It's sludge parts. There's nothing "ground" about it. Absolutely false advertising, in my opinion. Kind of like my "ground" chicken that's actually a goo.

I won't buy ground beef again. I don't know how we'll make spaghetti, but I guess it will be meatless. That's about all we ever used it for anyway.

And I think most of us knew Wal-Mart meat was low quality. We just didn't guess HOW low.

 

It isn't all food stores though right? Just the places like Walmart?

 

One article I read said Costco and a couple of other places (can't remember which ones, sorry) responded to emails saying they did not use pink goo. However, about 10 major chains (including Wal-Mart) did not respond.

So maybe there are some that do not use it. I know places like Whole Foods don't use it, that's pricey but alot better quality.

 

What parts of the cow do would a "healthy" ground meat use? Is it just like ground up steak or something?

 

I'm sure it's the scrap parts, and the cheap stuff is mostly fat. But I do believe it is supposed to be some sort of muscle meat.

 

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pink slime is mechanically separated meat right?
im only going to buy organic...good article....

you can buy ground beef.....ask the butcher which ground beef is the trim from what they are cutting.

there is nothing wrong with that.

problems arise when people don't want to pay the price for real food.

i have bought ground sirloin which is exactly what it is and i've seen the butchers in the back who are putting the sirloin through the grinder. nothing is added...same with ground chuck. it's a higher fat content...but it's ground beef with no additives or funny business.

and the stores that would not say, well, i don't shop there anyway....and now for sure, i won't.

‘Pink Slime’ Will Be a Choice for Schools - ABC News

 

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no. pink slime is not mechanically separated meat.

the article tells you what it is.....

article says no part is waste and it is sprayed with ammonia...i know that MSM is also called pink slime so i was asing if this particular pink slime is referring to the same thing.

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i have a question...
everything i've read on pink slime states that all MSM(mechanically separated chicken aka pink slime)...products must have ''mechannically separate meat'' in their ingredients listings

well i just looked up tyson s well as BK chicken..an they don;t say it..and i know they use it...they do say they use rib meat though..is tht the same? I just want to know what to look for in the list.
i love frozen chicken..an organic is too pricey lol.
btw magicre i may not be right after all..i looked it up and in addition to MSM..there is also BLBT which is referred to as pink slime
mcdonals doesnt use msm or blbt but they put ammonia in their buns LOL

i stand corrected.

you are correct.

Andy Bellatti: Beyond Pink Slime

 

This article says this about pink slime:

Now there’s a way for other lean parts—not just muscle tissue—to make it into your hamburger. The marketing names for pink slime include “Lean Beef Trimmings” and “Lean Finely Textured Beef.” What those names mask is that pink slime is composed of connective tissue, including tendons, ligaments, and intestines, combined with stuff that’s fallen onto the slaughterhouse floor.

USDA: Let Them Eat Garbage :: Eat The State!

Sounds like what's in most dog food!

 

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why is foster farms bad?
btw pilgrim has ha a lot of rcalls from what im reading so thts out.
Delivering the freshest, highest-quality poultry products is dependent on having local poultry ranches and processing plants so that products get to the grocery store in a matter of hours. In 1987, Foster Farms acquired Fircrest Farms in Creswell, Oregon, introducing Oregonians to the fresh, natural taste of Foster Farms chicken. With time-proven methods of raising and delivering the finest products possible, the Fircrest acquisition was the first of many in the Pacific Northwest. Today, Foster Farms is the leading poultry brand in the region.
http://fosterfarms.com/about/history.asp?section=bb&subpage=3

 

Well ok allow me to say why. I use to buy foster farms and zacky during my college years back then I didn't care or know anything about organic or not. And every time the chickens were so fatty I would have to spend about 10 min to trim all the excess yellow fat. And the skin was always thick and fatty and it was evident when I made broth so much fat surfaced that I spent so much time skimming the fat on top. Lastly, the chicken meat itself was not very elastic and old and just didn't taste that good. Keep in mind this is all I knew so I just assume all chickens were this way because I lived right behind a mexican market and that's what they had on sale every week.

Now I didn't know any of that until one day I bought a Rosie organic chicken at whole foods and realize wow this is what real fresh chicken looks and tastes like. The meat was nice, firm and elastic. The skin was white not yellow. When I made broth, very little fat rose to the top. So pretty much ever since then I would just wait until there's a sale at henry's, sprouts, trader joes, etc on organic chicken. And it doesn't have to be 100% organic, something along the lines of: free range. no hormones or steroids, etc is fine.

I do love the foster farms chickens in the commercials though...they have the best commercials...my favorite was then they went to get tattooes and one of the chicken said: "Dragon? looks like a fire breathing dog".

As for pilgrims, thanks for heads up. I wasn't planning on buying it anyways, at least when they have Fircrest. I still haven't tried it yet but it does look to me. And you know, if you like Zacky or Foster farms and been happy with them that's fine too.

 

are you still going to go with firncrest since they were acquired by foster farms?
and i've actually never heard of any of these brand until you guys brought them up..i used to eat dino buddies by yum foods. Those are pink slime though.

 

Yes because Fircrest is processed differently, fresh never frozen and no hormones and antibiotics or steroids. It's like porsche being bought out by volkswagon. Porshe is made in another factory.