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Ol'Roy? I don't think I've ever heard of that brand before. But, I did definately forget Alpo! Check out the ingredients on a bag of Alpo dog food:

Ingredients:
Ground Yellow Corn, Digest of Chicken By-Products, Poultry By-Product Meal, Animal Fat(stabilized with BHA), Lamb Meal, Brewer's Rice, Ground Barley, Soybean Meal, Corn Gluten Meal, Whole Chicory Root, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Selenite, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E, A, B12 & D3 Supplements, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Thiamin Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Biotin.

Oh, and Beneful! Check this out:

Ingredients:
Ground yellow corn, chicken-by-product meal, corn gluten meal, whole wheat flour, beef tallow preserved with mixed-tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), rice flour, beef, soy flour, Minerals (tricalcium phosphate, salt, potassium chloride, dicalcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), sugar, sorbitol, water, animal digest, phosphoric acid, sorbic acid (a preservative), L-Lysine monohydrochloride, dried peas, dried carrots, calcium propionate (a preservative), choline chloride, Vitamins [Vitamin E, Vitamin A, niacin, Vitamin B-12, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, biotin, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Vitamin D-3], added color (Yellow 5, Red 40, Yellow 6, Blue 2), DL-Methionine, glyceryl monostearate, garlic oil.
 

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Abady makes the worst dry foods list? But then again I understand your line of thinking. I have read some of your posts and you are definitely an advocate of omnivore nutrition. Sea vegetable I read in another post is what you recommend. How long has your carnivore been scuba diving? EVO and some of your other picks are indeed wonderful foods if you wish to follow the path of omnivore nutrition. Me, I'll stick with the Abady and feed my dog species appropriate and yes, that includes lots of Chicken By-product meal and good old pork fat lard, and you can keep the seaweed.
 

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Have you ever read the ingredients in Abady!?! Here is an example; Abady Classic Maintenance/Stress Formula

Ingredients:
Chicken By-Products Meal (Highest Quality), White Rice, Menhaden Fish Meal (Select Grade), Lard (the finest land-based source of the longest chain Omega 3 and Omega 6 fatty acids), Safflower Oil, Beef Fat, Dicalcium Phosphate, Beef Meat & Bone Meal, Potassium Chloride, Undefatted Beef Liver (Human Grade), Flaxseed Oil (Organic), Whey Protein Concentrate, Choline Choride, Natural Flavor, Menhaden Fish Oil, Ferrous Sulfate, d-Alpha Tocopheeryl Actate (Source of natural Viatmin E), Magnesium Oxide, Zinc Oxide, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Vitamin A Acetate, Taurine, Niacinamide, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Inositol, Citrus Bioflavanoid Complex, Ergocaciferol (Vitamin D3), Manganese Sulfate, Riboflavin, Potassium Iodide, Phytonadione (Vitamin K1), Thimaine Hydrochloride, Cupric Oxide, Chromium GTF, Sodium Selenite, Folic Acid, Biotin, Cyanocobalamin Concentrate (Vitamin B12).

Not only does it contain byproducts, but byproducts of unidentifiable origin! Is that something you really want to be feeding your dog? Who knows what kind of junk is thrown in there. The third ingredient in this food is a named meat product, in meal form, that is good. Two further meat related products (including the primary ingredient) are all by-products, which is bad. White rice is the main grain in the food, and is of decent quality, even though white rice is not a good grain to be feeding to a dog. The manufacturer does not disclose the nature of the preservatives used in this product. Overall, this product probably contains a reasonable amount of meat-related products, but makes prolific use of very low quality and unidentifiable source ingredients.

Here is another. Abady Large Breed Growth Formula:

Ingredients:
Chicken Meal, White Rice, Menhaden Fish Meal (Select Grade), Beef Meat & Bone Meal, Lard (the finest land-based source of the longest chain Omega 3 and Omega 6 fatty acids), Sunflower Oil (Premium Grade, Non-genetically Engineered Variety, Sunflower Oil is the Only Non-Toxic Oil in the Marketplace), Poultry By-Products Meal, Lamb Fat, Dicaclium Phosphate, Whey Protein Concentrate (Human Grade), Potassium Chloride, Choline Cloride, Salt (Sodium Chloride), di-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (source of natural Vitamin E), Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Amino Acid Supplement, Zinc Oxide, Magnesium Oxide, Vitamine A Acetate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Inositol, Citrus Biodlavanoid Complex, Para Amino Benzoic Acid, Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3), Stomach Substance, Cupric Oxide, Riboflavin, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Cobalt Chloride, Sodium Selenite, Manganese Sulfate, Chromium GTF, Folic Acid, Biotin, Sodium Molybdate, Cyanocobalamin Concentrate (Vitamin B12).

This one contains byproducts, byproducts of unidentifiable origin, AND a low quality fat source! I sure wouldn't feed my dog this food. The first and third ingredients in this food are named meat products, in meal form. Three further meat related products are all by-products. White rice is the main grain in the food, and is of decent quality.

This is why I consider Abady to be one of the worst foods you could feed your dog! Here is another example of another terrible food. It is called Abady Giant Breed Growth Formula:

Ingredients:
Chicken Meal, White Rice, Menhaden Fish Meal (Select Grade), Chicken By-Products Meal (Highest Quality), Beef Meat & Bone Meal, Sunflower Oil (Premium Grade, Non-genetically Engineered Variety, Sunflower Oil is the Only Non-Toxic Oil in the Marketplace), Pork Fat (the finest land-based source of the longest chain Omega 3 and Omega 6 fatty acids), Dicaclium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Lamb Fat, Whey Protein Concentrate (Human Grade), Undefatted Beef Liver (Human Grade), Choline Cloride, Flaxseed Oil (Organic), Natural Flavor, Salt (Sodium Chloride), Menhaden Fish Fat, Anmino Acid Supplement, di-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (source of natural Vitamin E), Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Ferrous Sulphate, Zinc Oxide, Vitamine A Acetate, Cupric Oxide, Niacinamide, Inositol, Citrus Biodlavanoid Complex, Stomach Substance, Riboflavin, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium bisulfite (Vitamin K), Chromium GTF, Cobalt Chloride, Sodium Molybdate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Cyanocobalamin Concentrate (Vitamin B12).

The first and third ingredients in this food are named meat products, in meal form. Three further meat related products are all by-products. The manufacturer does not disclose the nature of the preservatives used in this product. The manufacturer does not disclose the nature of the preservatives used in this product. Another? Abady Stress Maintenance Formula:

Ingredients:
Chicken Meal, White Rice, Menhaden Fish Meal (Select Grade), Lard (the finest land-based source of the longest chain Omega 3 and Omega 6 fatty acids), Safflower Oil, Beef Meat & Bone Meal, Chicken By-Products Meal (Highest Quality), Beef Fat, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chlorise, Undefatted Beef Liver (Human Grade), Flaxseed Oil (Organic), Salt (Sodium Chloride), Natural Flavor, Mendaden Fish Fat, d-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Source of natural Vitamin E), Ferrous Sulfate, Amino Acid Supplement, Magnesium Oxide, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Zinc Oxide, Vitamin A Acetate, Inositol, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Niacinamide, Manganese Sulfate, Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3), Citrus Bioflavanoid Complex, Stomach Substance, Cupfic Oxide, Riboflavin, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Phytonadione (Vitamin K1), Cobalt Chloride, Sodium Selenite, Folic Acid, Biotin, Cyanocobalamin Concentrate (Vitamin B12).

The first and third ingredients in this food are named meat products, in meal form. Two further meat related products are both by-products. White rice is the main grain in the food, and is of decent quality. Overall, this product probably contains a reasonable amount of meat-related products, but makes prolific use of very low quality and unidentifiable source ingredients.\

Here is Abady State of the Art Maintenance/Stress & Growth formula for Toys, another terrible dog food:

Ingredients:
Chicken Meal, White Rice, Menhaden Fish Meal (Select Grade), Chicken By-Product Meal, Lard (the finest land-based source of the longest chain Omega 3 and Omega 6 Fatty Actids), Beef Meat & Bone Meal, Beef Fat, Safflower Oil (Human Grade), Flaxseed Oil (organic), Torula Yeast, Natural Flavors, Amino Acid Supplement, Menhaden Fish Fat, Potassium Chloride, d-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (source of natural Vitamin E), Choline Chloride, Ascorbid Acid (Vitamin C), Vitamin A Acetate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Taurine, L-carnitine, Niacinamide, Inositol, Zinc Oxide, Ergocalciferol (Vitamin D3), Riboflavin, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochoride, Phytonadione (Vitamin K1), Ferrous Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Potassium Iodide, Chromium GTF, Folic Acid, Biotin, Cyanocobalamin Concentrate (Bitamin B12).

The first and third ingredients in this food are named meat products, in meal form. Two further meat related products are both by-products. White rice is the main grain in the food, and is of decent quality. Overall, this product probably contains a reasonable amount of meat-related products, but makes prolific use of very low quality and unidentifiable source ingredients.

Now tell me...does it sound like a good idea to feed your dog byproducts, byproducts of unidentifiable origin, and low quality fat!?! I would think not!
 

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Now tell me...does it sound like a good idea to feed your dog byproducts, byproducts of unidentifiable origin, and low quality fat!?! I would think not!
Hehehe, well Charlie, you got your work cut out for you. :smile: :smile: :smile:
 

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Chicken by-product meal is defined by AAFCO as "consisting of the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines, exclusive of feathers, except in such amounts as might occur unavoidable in good processing practice. Meat and bone meal is an extremely low quality product of unidentifiable origin and something we would go to great lengths to avoid in any dog food. It is defined as "the rendered product from mammal tissues, exclusive of blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents except in such amounts as may occur unavoidably in good processing practices". Overall, this product probably contains a reasonable amount of meat-related products, but makes prolific use of very low quality and unidentifiable source ingredients. White rice is the main grain in the food, and is of decent quality. Lard, however, is a low quality fat. It is the rendered fat of pigs, of similar quality to tallow. The manufacturer does not disclose the nature of the preservatives used in this product. The second of these is a fish meal product, but we are unable to locate any guarantee on the manufacturer's website that the protein ingredients used in the food are free of ethoxyquin (ethoxyquin is a chemical preservative, commonly added to fish ingredients, but that is banned or heavily regulated in human food production due to the belief that it is carcinogenic).
 

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Chicken by-product meal is defined by AAFCO as "consisting of the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines, exclusive of feathers, except in such amounts as might occur unavoidable in good processing practice. Meat and bone meal is an extremely low quality product of unidentifiable origin and something we would go to great lengths to avoid in any dog food. It is defined as "the rendered product from mammal tissues, exclusive of blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents except in such amounts as may occur unavoidably in good processing practices".
You just can't get over pasting can you? All of this stuff came from Dog Food Reviews - Abady Maintenance/Stress formula - Powered by ReviewPost It would be a lot easier on you just to post the link, don't you think?

BTW: Speaking of links, check out this link that shows the nutritional contents of chicken by-product meal. I assume you can also read and understand nutritional analysis. You might change your mind about this ingredient. 65% Poultry By-Product Meal
 

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You just can't get over pasting can you? All of this stuff came from Dog Food Reviews - Abady Maintenance/Stress formula - Powered by ReviewPost It would be a lot easier on you just to post the link, don't you think?

BTW: Speaking of links, check out this link that shows the nutritional contents of chicken by-product meal. I assume you can also read and understand nutritional analysis. You might change your mind about this ingredient. 65% Poultry By-Product Meal

Ohh....one of the food critics from over there at dog food reviews, good homework RFD with the copy and pasting. Rateitall is another popular one where they get these perks in the mail like coupons and stuff for writing reviews on products never tried. Maybe Lab09 is the original poster over there and he is copy and pasting his own material? hmmm.
 

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Kind of annoying having someone who doesn't know what they're talking about attack your food with full force by copying and pasting other websites' materials, huh?

Actually I lied, it's kind of fun. Just the volume of the inundation of pasted material is what gets annoying.
 

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I agree with Labrador. Abady is NOT a quality food. It contains chicken byproducts. AAFCO: Consists of the dry, ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs, and intestines -- exclusive of feathers except in such amounts as might occur unavoidably in good processing practices. YUCK! It also contains unidentifiable byproducts. This could be obtained from ANY animal that enters the slaughterhouse and there is no control over the quality. GROSS! I would never feed my dog byproducts. They are very inexpensive and less digestible than muscle meat. Who knows where the byproducts came from? It can be any part of the animal other than the meat. Abady also contains low quality fat. It is just swine fat. It is commonly used to make low quality food smell and taste better to canines. It has very little nutritional value. The byproducts is the thing that gets me. I love my dogs too much to feed them this stuff!
Do you share his pencil, too?
 

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haha. Did the guy honestly think we wouldn't catch on to the gimmick? I think RFD had a hunch long before I even got back on the forum lol
 

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Ok, some of you in here will unload on me but ..... I feed some Abady to my German shepherds and they love it. For one young one, it is the only commercial product that does not turn her into a spewing manure spreader! Chicken by-product isn't necessarily bad - it depends upon the source and supplier. I wouldn't want week old road kill or anything like that. Claybuster, maybe some of us appreciate the usefullness of all parts of the chicken. LOL Gizzards and livers fried real hard in cast-iron skillet. Well just smack my lips!

I haven't gone the raw route, but would enjoy reading some scientific unbiased research reports comparing raw with home cooked with kibble.
 

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Oh don't get claybuster wrong, he feeds it to his dogs and is the biggest fan of Abady I've ever met! Maybe you read one of his more sarcastic posts, but trust me, the man is a fan of the by-products and the Abady!
 

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And unfortunately unbiased research on raw will probably be hard to find because no one is willing to fund it because it would make it hard to market their crappy kibble afterwards.

The best unbiased research I can tell you about is how well raw has worked out for my dogs and all the other dogs I've heard it improve the lives of as well. I guess you could say my own dogs are my own research on raw feeding being beneficial, and I think that could go for everyone else feeding raw too.

I know it's not the scientific answer you were hoping for, but those tests and research projects are often skewed and misleading to support what they're paid to "discover" so usually trying things on your own can be the best way of figuring out if they're right for you (within reason, of course).
 
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