[harrkim120]

Now I know that organs (especially liver) are extremely important in a raw diet, but why? What's in the organs that they cannot get from the meat itself?

 

[rannmiller]

organs have all the extra vitamins and nutrients they need that isn't found in the muscle meat, like vitamin A.

 

[DaneMama]

Just like in bones there are different nutrients they can't get from skeletal muscle meat. Also, different types of meat carry differing amounts of nutrients which is why we also stress to feed as much variety in protein sources as possible.

 

[whiteleo]

Gee, if I only knew how to do this stuff, my bull terrier group had all the basic meats/organs analyzed and broken down into what nutient levels they are worth.
beef liver per 4oz. is highest in niacin, vitamin B-12, iron, zinc, vit. A, beta carotene.
I have all the actual figures and stuff it's pretty informative.

 

[harrkim120]

Gee, if I only knew how to do this stuff, my bull terrier group had all the basic meats/organs analyzed and broken down into what nutient levels they are worth.
beef liver per 4oz. is highest in niacin, vitamin B-12, iron, zinc, vit. A, beta carotene.
I have all the actual figures and stuff it's pretty informative.

You all teased me with the goods now. You might be able to just copy and paste the information. That would probably be the easiest way. :smile:

 

[whiteleo]

Yeah, and how do you do that? I told you guys I'm very computer illiterate. I didn't grow up with computers in school, didn't get to use them, we didn't get to use calculators either. Haha......

 

[DaneMama]

What kind of computer are you using?

 

[whiteleo]

I have a Dell, is that what your asking?

 

[whiteleo]

So the documents are on a file download under Wordpad

 

[DaneMama]

I have a Dell, is that what your asking?

Exactly :wink:

So the documents are on a file download under Wordpad

If you can:

Open the file.

Highlight the full text of the file.

Use the right click, and a box should pop up.

Select copy.

Then come here and in a reply box, right click and select paste.

That should do it :biggrin:

***Although I have never used wordpad...***

 

[whiteleo]

0 Beef, brisket, raw
Beef heart, raw
Beef, kidneys, raw
Beef liver, raw Beef brain, raw Beef lungs, raw
Beef tripe, raw Chicken gizzard, raw Beef pancreas, raw Beef tongue, raw
Nutrient Units 4 X 1 oz
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113.4g 4 X 1 oz
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113.4g 4 X 1 oz
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113.4g Value per 113 grams of edible portion 4 X 1 oz
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113.4g 4 X 1 oz
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113.4g 4 X 1 oz
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113.4g Value per 113 grams of edible portion 4 X 1 oz
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113.4g 4 X 1 oz
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113.4g
Proximates
Water g 62.57 87.44 88.33 80.02 86.51 90.02 95.44 89.64 73.94 73.18
Energy kcal 354 127 117 153 162 104 96 106 266 254
Energy kj 1480 530 490 637 680 437 403 444 1115 1063
Protein g 19.21 20.09 19.73 23.01 12.32 18.37 13.69 19.96 17.80 16.90
Total lipid (fat) g 30.10 4.47 3.50 4.10 11.68 2.83 4.18 2.33 21.09 18.25
Ash g 0.91 1.25 1.51 1.48 1.71 1.11 0.62 1.07 1.47 0.91
Carbohydrate, by difference g 0.00 0.16 0.33 4.40 1.19 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 4.17
Fiber, total dietary g 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Sugars, total g 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Minerals
Calcium, Ca mg 8 8 15 6 49 11 78 12 10 7
Iron, Fe mg 1.78 4.89 5.22 5.54 2.89 9.02 0.67 2.81 2.52 3.35
Magnesium, Mg mg 19 24 19 20 15 16 15 17 20 18
Phosphorus, P mg 183 240 291 437 411 254 73 167 371 151
Potassium, K mg 284 325 297 354 311 386 76 268 313 357
Sodium, Na mg 73 111 206 78 143 225 110 78 76 78
Zinc, Zn mg 3.75 1.93 2.18 4.52 1.16 1.83 1.61 3.07 2.93 3.25
Copper, Cu mg 0.074 0.449 0.483 11.023 0.325 0.295 0.079 0.131 0.068 0.193
Manganese, Mn mg 0.014 0.040 0.161 0.350 0.029 0.022 0.096 0.062 0.170 0.029
Selenium, Se mcg 17.7 24.7 159.9 44.9 24.2 50.2 14.2 28.8 28.0 10.7
Vitamins
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid mg 0.0 2.3 10.7 1.5 12.1 43.7 0.0 4.2 15.5 3.5

 

[whiteleo]

So I have to bring more over, couldn't copy and paste the whole page cause I had to scroll, but maybe Natalie who is a whiz or anyone else who is; These numbers go directly underneath each other for instance Beef brisket water62.57 energy354 protein 1480 total lipid(fat)30.10 you get the gist now back to some more copy and paste.

 

[DaneMama]

Where are those files from originally?

 

[whiteleo]

Vitamins
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid mg 0.0 2.3 10.7 1.5 12.1 43.7 0.0 4.2 15.5 3.5
Thiamin mg 0.091 0.270 0.405 0.214 0.104 0.053 0.000 0.032 0.159 0.142
Riboflavin mg 0.159 1.027 3.221 3.113 0.226 0.261 0.073 0.261 0.505 0.386
Niacin mg 3.606 8.539 9.106 14.888 4.026 4.536 0.999 4.158 5.046 4.808
Pantothenic acid mg 0.318 2.030 4.502 8.105 2.279 1.134 0.257 0.713 4.423 0.741
Vitamin B-6 mg 0.397 0.316 0.754 1.224 0.256 0.045 0.016 0.127 0.227 0.352
Folate, total mcg 7 3 111 328 3 12 6 6 3 8
Folic acid mcg 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Folate, food mcg 7 3 111 328 3 12 6 6 3 8
Folate, DFE mcg_DFE 7 3 111 328 3 12 6 6 3 8
Vitamin B-12 mcg 2.42 9.70 31.18 67.01 10.78 4.32 1.58 1.37 15.88 4.30
Vitamin A, IU IU 0 0 1584 19095 167 52 0 72 0 0
Vitamin A, RAE mcg_RAE 0 0 475 5614 8 16 0 21 0 0
Retinol mcg 0 0 475 5591 0 16 0 21 0 0
Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol) mg 0.25 0.25 0.43 1.12 0.10 0.37
Tocopherol, beta mg 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Tocopherol, gamma mg 0.02 0.02 0.08 0.06 0.02 0.17
Tocopherol, delta mg 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Vitamin D IU 36.288 18.080
Vitamin K (phylloquinone) mcg 0.0 0.0 3.5 0.0 0.0 0.0
Lipids
Fatty acids, total saturated g 12.122 1.568 0.984 1.393 3.310 0.975 1.464 0.598 7.269 7.938
4:0 g 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
6:0 g 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
8:0 g 0.00 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
10:0 g 0.113 0.00 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.023
12:0 g 0.079 0.00 0.00 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.102
14:0 g 0.987 0.076 0.024 0.017 0.037 0.045 0.079 0.008 0.170 0.646
15:0 g 0.018 0.011 0.008 0.000 0.027 0.000
16:0 g 7.360 0.704 0.446 0.353 1.322 0.510 0.729 0.392 3.890 4.785
17:0 0.058 0.026 0.034 0.044 0.092 0.003
18:0 g 3.595 0.706 0.424 0.974 1.833 0.261 0.525 0.186 2.722 2.381
20:0 0.006 0.014 0.000 0.024 0.005 0.003
22:0 0.000 0.040 0.010 0.049 0.007 0.005
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g 13.325 1.289 0.665 0.541 2.720 0.726 1.738 0.579 7.303 8.210
14:1 0.008 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.017 0.000
15:1 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
16:1 undifferentiated g 1.610 0.067 0.044 0.041 0.031 0.102 0.100 0.082 1.259 0.624
17:1 g 0.015
18:1 undifferentiated g 11.680 1.202 0.607 0.478 2.369 0.533 1.602 0.486 6.044 7.428
20:1 g 0.045 0.012 0.014 0.008 0.320 0.023 0.019 0.010 0.000 0.159
22:1 undifferentiated 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g 1.055 0.619 0.618 0.525 0.519 0.386 0.204 0.403 3.935 1.021
18:2 undifferentiated g 0.658 0.448 0.331 0.338 0.060 0.193 0.132 0.278 2.302 0.658
18:2 n-6 c,c g 0.338
18:3 undifferentiated g 0.374 0.018 0.015 0.018 0.000 0.023 0.012 0.003 0.147 0.000
18:3 n-3 c,c,c 0.012 0.008 0.008 0.000 0.008 0.010
18:3 n-6 c,c,c 0.006 0.007 0.010 0.000 0.005 0.003
18:4 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
20:2 n-6 c,c 0.008 0.014 0.011 0.000 0.006 0.015
20:3 undifferentiated 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
20:4 undifferentiated g 0.023 0.145 0.259 0.159 0.459 0.159 0.054 0.097 0.907 0.352
20:5 n-3 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
22:5 n-3 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
22:6 n-3 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Fatty acids, total trans 0.204 0.113 0.192 0.692 0.170 0.068
Cholesterol mg 83 141 466 311 3413 274 138 271 232 99
Phytosterols mg 0
0 0
Amino acids
Tryptophan g 0.215 0.297 0.168 0.230 0.129
Threonine g 0.839 0.982 0.685 0.826 0.735
Isoleucine g 0.864 1.093 0.875 0.900 0.727
Leucine g 1.518 2.158 1.349 1.390 1.262
Lysine g 1.599 1.816 1.302 1.313 1.303
Methionine g 0.492 0.614 0.367 0.322 0.357
Cystine g 0.215 0.425 0.282 0.228 0.221
Phenylalanine g 0.751 1.225 0.746 0.741 0.697
Tyrosine g 0.645 0.912 0.414 0.778 0.547
Valine g 0.934 1.424 0.905 0.955 0.809
Arginine g 1.215 1.402 1.111 1.017 1.076
Histidine g 0.658 0.711 0.558 0.350 0.438
Alanine g 1.159 1.315 1.135 0.912 0.973
Aspartic acid g 1.755 2.178 1.108 1.709 1.543
Glutamic acid g 2.887 2.952 1.957 1.492 2.328
Glycine g 1.048 1.315 0.832 1.085 1.014
Proline g 0.848 1.086 1.881 0.912 0.789
Serine g 0.735 1.023 0.925 0.712 0.682
Other
Alcohol, ethyl g 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Caffeine mg 0 0 0 0 0 0
Theobromine mg 0 0 0 0 0 0
Carotene, beta mcg 0 0 262 100 0 0
Carotene, alpha mcg 0 0 12 0 0 0
Cryptoxanthin, beta mcg 0 0 15 0 0 0
Lycopene mcg 19 23 0 0 0 0
Lutein + zeaxanthin mcg 0 0 0 0 0 0

 

[whiteleo]

They are on my bull terrier group for any one, it doesn't say anything about not using them or copying them, they are there for all members to use. It doesn't say who did the initial work. I'll add that raw4bullies is not a moderated group either unlike the other bullterrier groups I belong to. They also have alot of interesting articles on pancreatitis from Ian Billiwhatever his name is, and a article I found intersting on the zinc defiency that is common in Malmutes, Sibes and Bull terriers

 

[harrkim120]

Oh boy!!! That's going to take some putting together. A lot of thorough information though.

Thanks Whiteleo!!! :biggrin:

 

[DaneMama]

Can you post a link from where you found it?

 

[harrkim120]

^^^ I totally thought that too and forgot to ask. Thanks :biggrin:

 

[mike487]

I imported it to a open office spreadsheet. Anyone want to take a look and see if it looks right? I stopped fiddling with it after the vitamins.

http://www.waterdogoutfitter.com/puppy/raw_nutrients_from_whiteleo.ods

 

[whiteleo]

Not sure if this is what your lookin for but here goes: Go to Yahoo- pets/groups yahoo.com/group/raw4bullie You do have to be approved for membership like any yahoo group, but like I said, this one is not moderated. They have lots of very good links in their files, but no one claims ownership of this one.