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Laboratory studies of ingredients in seven popular flea and tick control products reveal adverse health effects in all animals tested. The effects of these well known and aggressively marketed products range from convulsions, body tremors and labored breathing to thyroid cancer, brain lesions, and liver and lung tumors. Yet TV commercials with trusty looking veterinarians pitch only the happy side of these products.

Which flea and tick pesticide are you using on your dog and/or cat? If your favorite treatment contains the active ingredient Fipronil, Imidacloprid, Methoprene, Permethrin, Pyriproxyfen or the inert ingredient Butyldydroxytoluene, Butylhydroxanisole, Carbitol, Ethanol, or Polyvinlpyrrplidone, you need to know about the not-so-happy side of these products as well.

If you think your veterinarian or local pet store would never sell you such a sinister poison, think again.

Advantage (Bayer Corporation), Adams Spot-On Flea & Tick Control (Farnam Pet Products), BioSpot Flea & Tick Control (Farnam Pet Products), Defend EXspot Treatment (Schering-Plough Animal Health), Frontline Top Spot (Merial Limited), Frontline Plus (Merial Limited), and Zodiac FleaTrol Spot On (Wellmark International) - all contain one or more of the aforementioned active or inert ingredients.

Toxicology and morbidity findings from these pesticide products were gathered over a decade of laboratory testing by the United States Environmental Protection Agency; Occupational Safety & Health Administration, U.S. Department of Labor; Extension Toxicology Network; Journal of Pesticide Reform; Pesticide Action Network North America and other sources, with additional information supplied by Material Safety Data Sheets.

Most testing was performed for the benefit of new product manufacturers in order to qualify for EPA registration. Scientists overdose laboratory animals to determine how much of the product will kill 50% of the test population. Information is then extrapolated and assumptions made that may apply to domestic animals and human beings.

According to laboratory tests, Fipronil (Frontline Top Spot and Frontline Plus) is a neurotoxin and suspected human cancer agent. Fipronil can cause liver toxicity, thyroid cancer, kidney damage, raised cholesterol, lack of coordination, labored breathing, miscarriages and stunted offspring.

Laboratory testing of Imidacloprid (Advantage) on mice, dogs and rats shows this insecticide to be neurotoxic to laboratory animals, also causing a breakdown of coordination, labored breathing, lesions of the thyroid, reduced birth weight, and increased birth defects.

The synthetic broad spectrum pyrethroid insecticide Permethrin (Adams Spot-on Flea & Tick Control; BioSpot Flea & Tick Control; and Defend EXspot Treatment) shows indications of being an endocrine disrupter and the cause of lung cancer and liver tumors in laboratory animals.

Methoprene and Pyriproxyfen (Zodiac FleaTrol Spot On; and BioSpot Flea & Tick Control) are known as insect growth regulators (IGR), both of which restrict the growth of fleas to the juvenile stage where reproduction is not possible. Laboratory testing reveals that Methoprene causes enlarged livers and degeneration of the kidneys.

Unfortunately, few people actually read EPA test results. Fewer still want to hear about the many laboratory test subjects (unwanted dogs and cats) killed during and after the studies in order to determine damage to specific systems and organs. But it only takes a few people with straightforward thinking to bring about change. Are you ready to stop this insanity? There are effective alternatives, as you know.

Today there are totally natural flea and tick remedies - completely harmless to kids, pets and the environment - made from pure botanical essential oils. Some natural products work fairly well, some don't, and some work much better than the toxic stuff!

The mode of action - the way these natural remedies kill fleas and ticks - is to disrupt the insect's ability to function by blocking a substance called octopamine. In nature, certain plants have developed a natural defense against bugs. These "octopamine blockers" in plants are extracted as oils and used as active ingredients. Octopamine is to an insect what adrenalin is to a human. When blocked from the system, the insect quickly dies. No muss, no fuss. Nobody gets hurt but the bug.

Please begin today to stop supporting the heartless laboratory testing of innocent animals, the insidious cover-up and rush to market of big business, and the unwitting harm we may be doing to our children, our pets, and our planet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/health/17pets.html
http://www.ehow.com/about_6304479_dangerous-flea-tick-treatments.html
How Safe is Your Flea and Tick Killer?
EPA Evaluation of Pet Spot-On Products: Analysis and Mitigation Plan | Pesticides | US EPA
PDF] Are "Spot-On" Flea Killers Safe?
Adobe PDF - View as html
18 | FEBRUARY 2002 Copyright© 2002, Belvoir Publications, Inc. TO SUBSCRIBE, CALL (800) 829-9165 BY KATHLEEN DUDLEY Are "Spot-On ...
www.apnm.org/publications/resources/fleachemfin.pdf
 

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Laboratory studies of ingredients in seven popular flea and tick control products reveal adverse health effects in all animals tested. The effects of these well known and aggressively marketed products range from convulsions, body tremors and labored breathing to thyroid cancer, brain lesions, and liver and lung tumors. Yet TV commercials with trusty looking veterinarians pitch only the happy side of these products.

Which flea and tick pesticide are you using on your dog and/or cat? If your favorite treatment contains the active ingredient Fipronil, Imidacloprid, Methoprene, Permethrin, Pyriproxyfen or the inert ingredient Butyldydroxytoluene, Butylhydroxanisole, Carbitol, Ethanol, or Polyvinlpyrrplidone, you need to know about the not-so-happy side of these products as well.

If you think your veterinarian or local pet store would never sell you such a sinister poison, think again.

Advantage (Bayer Corporation), Adams Spot-On Flea & Tick Control (Farnam Pet Products), BioSpot Flea & Tick Control (Farnam Pet Products), Defend EXspot Treatment (Schering-Plough Animal Health), Frontline Top Spot (Merial Limited), Frontline Plus (Merial Limited), and Zodiac FleaTrol Spot On (Wellmark International) - all contain one or more of the aforementioned active or inert ingredients.

Toxicology and morbidity findings from these pesticide products were gathered over a decade of laboratory testing by the United States Environmental Protection Agency; Occupational Safety & Health Administration, U.S. Department of Labor; Extension Toxicology Network; Journal of Pesticide Reform; Pesticide Action Network North America and other sources, with additional information supplied by Material Safety Data Sheets.

Most testing was performed for the benefit of new product manufacturers in order to qualify for EPA registration. Scientists overdose laboratory animals to determine how much of the product will kill 50% of the test population. Information is then extrapolated and assumptions made that may apply to domestic animals and human beings.

According to laboratory tests, Fipronil (Frontline Top Spot and Frontline Plus) is a neurotoxin and suspected human cancer agent. Fipronil can cause liver toxicity, thyroid cancer, kidney damage, raised cholesterol, lack of coordination, labored breathing, miscarriages and stunted offspring.

Laboratory testing of Imidacloprid (Advantage) on mice, dogs and rats shows this insecticide to be neurotoxic to laboratory animals, also causing a breakdown of coordination, labored breathing, lesions of the thyroid, reduced birth weight, and increased birth defects.

The synthetic broad spectrum pyrethroid insecticide Permethrin (Adams Spot-on Flea & Tick Control; BioSpot Flea & Tick Control; and Defend EXspot Treatment) shows indications of being an endocrine disrupter and the cause of lung cancer and liver tumors in laboratory animals.

Methoprene and Pyriproxyfen (Zodiac FleaTrol Spot On; and BioSpot Flea & Tick Control) are known as insect growth regulators (IGR), both of which restrict the growth of fleas to the juvenile stage where reproduction is not possible. Laboratory testing reveals that Methoprene causes enlarged livers and degeneration of the kidneys.

Unfortunately, few people actually read EPA test results. Fewer still want to hear about the many laboratory test subjects (unwanted dogs and cats) killed during and after the studies in order to determine damage to specific systems and organs. But it only takes a few people with straightforward thinking to bring about change. Are you ready to stop this insanity? There are effective alternatives, as you know.

Today there are totally natural flea and tick remedies - completely harmless to kids, pets and the environment - made from pure botanical essential oils. Some natural products work fairly well, some don't, and some work much better than the toxic stuff!

The mode of action - the way these natural remedies kill fleas and ticks - is to disrupt the insect's ability to function by blocking a substance called octopamine. In nature, certain plants have developed a natural defense against bugs. These "octopamine blockers" in plants are extracted as oils and used as active ingredients. Octopamine is to an insect what adrenalin is to a human. When blocked from the system, the insect quickly dies. No muss, no fuss. Nobody gets hurt but the bug.

Please begin today to stop supporting the heartless laboratory testing of innocent animals, the insidious cover-up and rush to market of big business, and the unwitting harm we may be doing to our children, our pets, and our planet.
the only two products ive found that i'd be comfortable giving winston are
sentry natural defense
and ''bug offgarlic''

but ive heard sentry discolors hair so that's out
and ive heard garlic is horrible for dogs.....

the other product id use (capstar) isnt a preventative.
 

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This thread is EXACTLY why I only use DE for my boys and girls!!

Im SOOOO glad to have researched and found out about DE...as I HATED putting those nasty poisons on my babies...but they got fleas sooo bad because of our ID/OD cat!!(Who is THANKFULLY gone now!!!)
 
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This thread is EXACTLY why I only use DE for my boys and girls!!

Im SOOOO glad to have researched and found out about DE...as I HATED putting those nasty poisons on my babies...but they got fleas sooo bad because of our ID/OD cat!!(Who is THANKFULLY gone now!!!)
what do DE, ID, and OD mean?

if DE is as good as u sat i might look into it
 

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what do DE, ID, and OD mean?

if DE is as good as u sat i might look into it
DE is Diatomaceous Earth(food grade only)....I believe there have been QUITE a few threads about it:smile: I dust it on them, feed a little to them and dust the out side with it....I havent seen a single flea this year, even with 3 dogs....last year with JUST the one cat going in and out side(Brody was indoor only last year) both cats AND Brody where COVERED in fleas if I didnt use something.....this year...Ive not seen a SINGLE flea!:smile:

ID/OD is indoor/outdoor!:wink: (I was on my phone, so went lazy, sorry!:tongue:)
 
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DE is used as a natural insect replant right? People put it in their gardens to keep ants and other bugs away. This is the DE that I know from a Horticulture class I took and my teacher told us to ALWAYS use a mask when spreading the stuff. It is shards of something (can't remember what) and it slices the bodies of the bugs which can also slice into your lungs. Of course, you would have to use a lot of it but still... I don't think I could ever use that on my dog. Is there something that changes my whole idea? Am I missing something? Haha. I saw DE advertised for that and I flinched thinking it would hurt the dogs so bad!
 

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DE is used as a natural insect replant right? People put it in their gardens to keep ants and other bugs away. This is the DE that I know from a Horticulture class I took and my teacher told us to ALWAYS use a mask when spreading the stuff. It is shards of something (can't remember what) and it slices the bodies of the bugs which can also slice into your lungs. Of course, you would have to use a lot of it but still... I don't think I could ever use that on my dog. Is there something that changes my whole idea? Am I missing something? Haha. I saw DE advertised for that and I flinched thinking it would hurt the dogs so bad!
I *believe* that is the difference between "food grade" and non food grade. I don't wear a mask while using it and haven't had anything wrong.:wink:
 

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So glad I feed raw. since I have I have not seen a flea on my dogs and therefore do not treat them with any flea products!
 
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OP - where did that language come from? Does it have references? I'd like to read those studies. TIA.
Hi there! I have found numerous articles on the net about these flea and tick treatments. Let me see how many I can dig up for you. I refuse to use these poisons on my pets and subject my child and myself to them as well.

How Safe is Your Flea and Tick Killer?
EPA Evaluation of Pet Spot-On Products: Analysis and Mitigation Plan | Pesticides | US EPA
PDF] Are "Spot-On" Flea Killers Safe?
Adobe PDF - View as html
18 | FEBRUARY 2002 Copyright© 2002, Belvoir Publications, Inc. TO SUBSCRIBE, CALL (800) 829-9165 BY KATHLEEN DUDLEY Are "Spot-On ...
www.apnm.org/publications/resources/fleachemfin.pdf
 
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Interesting read.

However, not giving Harleigh flea medicine here....is NOT going to happen. :( I use Comfortis for her.
 

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^^^^Have you looked into more natural treatments or tried any? I understand down south has issues with fleas and ticks all year round. I just can't help to think that people are slowly killing there dogs by using these pesticides and poisons. Years ago you never heard of so many dogs dying of cancer. Nowadays it's an epidemic and I personally believe it has alot to do with over vaccinating, early S/N, and these flea and tick spot on treatments. Again, people can use what they want on there pets it's just that the information is there on the dangers and side affects of these products. I don't think alot of people are aware of the dangers of them because if the vets recommend it then it must be safe......or so the average pet owner thinks. JMPO
 

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Interesting read.

However, not giving Harleigh flea medicine here....is NOT going to happen. :( I use Comfortis for her.
Have you attempted to not use it? i'm not sure how much different the flea epidemic is from Florida to where i am, but were still considered a "sub-tropical" climate here as well and we've not used it for the last 6 months and had no fleas, ticks are still a pain but those are big enough we can spot.
 

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Yeah, in the "cooler" months I try to use Bug Off Garlic and it works fine (I just have to give her double the dosage). I tried using just that in the hotter months and it doesn't work at all... just wound up with a huge flea problem on all the animals! Fleas are just a giant problem here all year long... they never go away.

Since Comfortis only works for fleas, I do use a natural mosquito/tick repellant.
 

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Yeah, in the "cooler" months I try to use Bug Off Garlic and it works fine (I just have to give her double the dosage). I tried using just that in the hotter months and it doesn't work at all... just wound up with a huge flea problem on all the animals! Fleas are just a giant problem here all year long... they never go away.

Since Comfortis only works for fleas, I do use a natural mosquito/tick repellant.
I was just curious, it must be a much worse problem down there, that sucks!! or we might just be getting lucky, and Comfortis is what we used to use, never had any ill effects from it, and from what i've learned about the actually active ingredient it seems a bit more sound than others. Glad it works so well for Harleigh! :biggrin: btw, they make a new one called Trifexis that is spinosad (active ingredient in comfortis) with heartworm and other parasite protection, not sure if you've seen this one yet :)
 
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