Why then do foxes eat fruits and veggies? We had one that raided the garden and would eat corn and canteloupes. I know that they eat persimmons and peaches also. I mean foxes and coyotes are basically dogs. Coyotes are the same way they will eat fruits and berries.Veggies can be fun for treats (a few of ours like carrots) but they have 0 nutritional value for the dogs.
Your dogs bodies don't produce the digestive enzymes necessary to break down plant material :biggrin:
Why then do foxes eat fruits and veggies? We had one that raided the garden and would eat corn and canteloupes. I know that they eat persimmons and peaches also. I mean foxes and coyotes are basically dogs. Coyotes are the same way they will eat fruits and berries.
I have to disagree here. Foxes eat fruits and veggies when they are abuntant not only when prey is limited. Coyotes are omnivorous. Fruits and berries make up a large part of there diet.They feed primarily on rodents and other small mammals, but also fruits/veggies when prey is limited.
They might eat them on a regular basis just because they taste good, even when food is not limited. I think that one would have to do extensive research into their diets and habits to know for sure.I have to disagree here. Foxes eat fruits and veggies when they are abuntant not only when prey is limited. Coyotes are omnivorous. Fruits and berries make up a large part of there diet.
A dog is not a fox. A dog is not a coyotte. A dog IS a wolf. A dog is not decended from wolves, and dog is a wolf. It has the same digestive system as a wolf. Neither dogs nor wolves can not extract nutrients from plant matter because of jaw structure, dentation, chemestry in their digestive tract, and length of digestive tract. Yes, wolves and dogs eat some berries. Most experts agree this is because they taste good, very similar to us eating cake and ice cream ... good taste, no nutrition. They will occasionally eat some fruits and veggies for the same reason. Not for nutrition. Of course a starving animal will eat anything.I have to disagree here. Foxes eat fruits and veggies when they are abuntant not only when prey is limited. Coyotes are omnivorous. Fruits and berries make up a large part of there diet.
A dog is not a fox. A dog is not a coyotte. A dog IS a wolf. A dog is not decended from wolves, and dog is a wolf. It has the same digestive system as a wolf. Neither dogs nor wolves can not extract nutrients from plant matter because of jaw structure, dentation, chemestry in their digestive tract, and length of digestive tract. Yes, wolves and dogs eat some berries. Most experts agree this is because they taste good, very similar to us eating cake and ice cream ... good taste, no nutrition. They will occasionally eat some fruits and veggies for the same reason. Not for nutrition. Of course a starving animal will eat anything.
There are no nutrients needed by dogs in plant matter that is not in the meat, bones, and organs of the animals that consume them (prey animals).
Well that's because the main cause of death to wolves in the wild is bullets. Take away the bullets and most things are apt to live much longer.Also wolves in captivity live far longer than wild wolves and the majority of them are feed dry kibble. I know they get medical care ect. ect... but if they needed raw meat they certainly would not be living longer.
No I think it's parvo and other adult wolves.Well that's because the main cause of death to wolves in the wild is bullets. Take away the bullets and most things are apt to live much longer.
Wolves/dogs are about .2% different in mcdna and chimps/humans are 2% different.Actually a dog is not a wolf anymore than your a chimp. They share 98.5 to 99.5 % Dna with wolves depending on who's study you believe. Fox share about 94-95 %.
Of course it does. If they needes a different diet, their digestive system would be different. Just like a cow digestive system is different from a wolf.At any rate dogs eat what they have evolved to eat. Just because they share wolf Dna does not mean they should have the same diet.
Red fox/gray fox ... different species. Polar bear/brown bear/black bear ... different species. Wolf/dog ... same species.Red fox and Gray fox for example have different diets with the gray being far more of an omnivore evolving to climb trees to eat fruit as well as escape danger. Bears also have evolved different with Polar bears and certain Brown bears being 95-99% meat eaters and southern Black bears eating over 50% vegetation, fruits berries ect..
Where do you get that inforamtion? Most of the wolf sanctuaries that I know of feed raw meat, bones, and organs. Most of the wolf rescues do also. Every single one of the wolf owners I know of without exception feed raw meat, bones, and organs.Also wolves in captivity live far longer than wild wolves and the majority of them are feed dry kibble.
That is speculation on your part and not very accurate information. I would like to know what you base such a statement on. Are you are saying any animal would live longer on processed food than on whole raw food? Find me a nutritionist that would agree with that. That is, find me a nutritionist that doesn't work for a dog food company that would agree with that.I know they get medical care ect. ect... but if they needed raw meat they certainly would not be living longer.
Gray and Red fox are of the same species as are the bears.Wolves/dogs are about .2% different in mcdna and chimps/humans are 2% different.
Of course it does. If they needes a different diet, their digestive system would be different. Just like a cow digestive system is different from a wolf.
Red fox/gray fox ... different species. Polar bear/brown bear/black bear ... different species. Wolf/dog ... same species.
Where do you get that inforamtion? Most of the wolf sanctuaries that I know of feed raw meat, bones, and organs. Most of the wolf rescues do also. Every single one of the wolf owners I know of without exception feed raw meat, bones, and organs.
That is speculation on your part and not very accurate information. I would like to know what you base such a statement on. Are you are saying any animal would live longer on processed food than on whole raw food? Find me a nutritionist that would agree with that. That is, find me a nutritionist that doesn't work for a dog food company that would agree with that.
At no time anywhere on earth is processed food more nutritious than whole raw food. There is never a time that any animal will live longer on processed food than he will in a good raw diet. Even the powerful rich kibble companies can't prove that a dog will live longer on their food than on a raw diet.
So let me get this straight. Are you saying that Purina Pro Plan and Hill's Science Diet are high quality and highly digestable meat based diets?Nearly all of the Mexican wolves currently held in captivity are
fed dry dog foods such as Ralston Purina Pro Plan TM (Ralston Purina Co., St. Louis, MO 63188) or
Hill’s Science Diet TM (Hill’s Pet Nutrition, Topeka, KS, 66606) should be fed. Such meat-based diets
are high in digestibility and are less likely to result in digestive upsets and diarrhea associated with
high cereal diets. Low quality “budget” dog foods should not be used due to uncertain control of
nutrient concentrations ad ingredient digestibility.
BUT, this is the dna that is used to determine how animals are related. It is the dna that you would study to determine who is the same or different species. For example, mcdna determines that dogs have no other animals in their blood lines other than gray wolves."Wolves/dogs are about .2% different in mcdna"
Thats only looking at dna from the female side from studies in the 90's.
Dna testing has come along way since then as I said depends on who's study you look at.
I didn't say anything. You asked about the info on captive wolves being feed kibble that is a quote from the Mexican Wolf Husbandry ManualSo let me get this straight. Are you saying that Purina Pro Plan and Hill's Science Diet are high quality and highly digestable meat based diets?
No need your right I was thinking of Genus.As for the foxes and bears, I don't have time to look up their scientific names right now but maybe tomorrow sometime I will have time to get them to show they are different species.
Ain't that the truth! Best thing we did this year was to keep the wolf murdering Palin out of the Oval office :biggrin:Well that's because the main cause of death to wolves in the wild is bullets. Take away the bullets and most things are apt to live much longer.
If the population is substainable I see nothing wrong with hunting them.Ain't that the truth! Best thing we did this year was to keep the wolf murdering Palin out of the Oval office :biggrin:
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