Absolutely. To say otherwise would be like saying that grass in inappropriate to feed a calf. Puppies in the wild have been fed a raw diet for millions of years. Kibble, being only 50 or so years old is the new comer to town. Why aren't you instead asking if its suitable to feed them kibble? Kibble has never been proven to be anywhere nearly as healthy as a raw diet.First, will a raw diet be suitable for these new guys?
Check out my web page listed in my sig. Read it carefully and also read the links and get the book. If you have any questions after that (and you will), don't hesitate to ask them.Secondly, if so, how do we go about it?
Same as aboveAre there any websites with menus, portions and how to's?
NO. Eventhough some people do it, it is never advised to feed kibble in association with a raw diet. Why would you want to dumb down the raw diet?Is there a good, high quality kibble to use in association with a raw diet?
No, not at all. Why would it be?Is it even necessary?
Abady RawMy wife and I will be receiving our two new shih tzu pups in a couple of weeks. ... Thanks for any input, suggestions or information. Thanks.
Is Abady raw as cheap as prey model raw? And does it come in the same form so the dogs are getting the most benefit out of chewing the huge hunks of meat and gnawing on bones?
Exactly, if you feed raw, you get it cheaper, with no rosemary, and with the bones included in every meal so you don't have to worry about adding too much calcium. And how is Abady safer than that? I'd actually be very interested in seeing the ingredients in Abady raw.
How do you know? Because they say so?Well, for one thing, everything is already balanced in the ration.
How much is the proper balance? There is no exact amount necessary nor even an ideal amount. Anywhere between 10% and 35% of the diet is fine for bone. Thats a BIG range and not difficult to achieve.Lets say a raw feeder unwittingly has too much bone in the diet and not enough say organ meat, one could argue they have not achieved the proper balance in the ration.
No, its entirely unnecessary and I have doubts it's even healthy. Is every meal you eat completely balanced? I doubt it. You balance over time. Do you think animals in the wild get a perfectly balanced meal each day? Of course they don't.Wouldn't a probably balanced diet all the time be more ideal than just getting it right 80% or 70% of the time?
Thats baloney. I can teach anyone in a hour all they need to know to feed and execelent and a balanced prey model diet. There are just 2 basic hard and fast rules.Another thing about safety is feeding a whole prey (model) diet you need to do some homework and have a good working knowledge of ingredients and what items to choose for what reasons.
You are paranoid about all the possible bad things that can happen to you or your dogs. Prey model raw diet it safe. Dogs have been eating it for millions of years and thriving. Abady is just another one of the little companies who make pre-made raw paddies and call it a raw diet. It is nothing more than raw kibble. Nothing comes close to whole unprocessed food either for humans or any other animal.I see a lot greater safety in a properly structured (even home prepared) meat based diets than whole prey model. Problem is finding a properly structured commercial raw ration w/out all the vegetables, fruit and grains (same path as omnivore kibble). You found one with Abady.
Why don't they put the ingredients of their raw food on their web page?Yes, I will get those ingredients to you but need some time. I picked up a new box recently and won't need feed for 3 months. If I can stop in before then and grab a package I will.
YesHow do you know? Because they say so?
If you say so.How much is the proper balance? There is no exact amount necessary nor even an ideal amount. Anywhere between 10% and 35% of the diet is fine for bone. Thats a BIG range and not difficult to achieve.
That's a new one, unhealthy to eat balanced diets every day. We're not built for feast or famine like carnivore dog. When they eat in the wild they get it right all the time, even if that is once a week.No, its entirely unnecessary and I have doubts it's even healthy. Is every meal you eat completely balanced? I doubt it. You balance over time. Do you think animals in the wild get a perfectly balanced meal each day? Of course they don't.
Sounds too easy to be true.Thats baloney. I can teach anyone in a hour all they need to know to feed and execelent and a balanced prey model diet. There are just 2 basic hard and fast rules.
1. Feed raw meat, bones, and organs from a variety of animals.
2. Feed mostly meat, some bones, and some organs. Exact ratios don't matter.
There, thats it. Now you know all you need to know to feed a balanced prey model raw diet.
Whole prey is safe, yes that would be fresh road kill as well. Whole prey model is processed food. Only if you're hunting your own game or picking up road kill is the food unprocessed.You are paranoid about all the possible bad things that can happen to you or your dogs. Prey model raw diet it safe. Dogs have been eating it for millions of years and thriving. Nothing comes close to whole unprocessed food either for humans or any other animal.
Probably because of people like you and Miss Corgi Paws who bash feeds and never once tried the product.Why don't they put the ingredients of their raw food on their web page?
Tell that to the sled dog team that finish the race in good standing. But we all know you think that is a bunch of lies and marketing. That would be the High Competition and Stress Formula, and it is way out of your league.Abady is just another one of the little companies who make pre-made raw paddies and call it a raw diet. It is nothing more than raw kibble.
Awh Claybuster, I didn't know I was always on your mind. Flattering.Probably because of people like you and Miss Corgi Paws who bash feeds and never once tried the product.
Dogs in the wild get their balance over a weeks or even a month's time. I'm not concerned about doing it every meal, though one definately could if they were concerned with it. It's just a matter of knowing a thing or two.Well, for one thing, everything is already balanced in the ration.
Given the high range that is okay, you'd have to be the village idiot to seriously mess your dog up on prey model raw. So yes, one could argue that, but one would also be an idiot.Lets say a raw feeder unwittingly has too much bone in the diet and not enough say organ meat, one could argue they have not achieved the proper balance in the ration.
Again, no one goes raw without researching anything first. No one. People who know nothing about dog food do the cheapest most convenient thing they can, figuring that if it's good enough that they can sell it, then it's good enough for their dog to eat.Another thing about safety is feeding a whole prey (model) diet you need to do some homework and have a good working knowledge of ingredients and what items to choose for what reasons.
This particular person made a common mistake. Even somewhat informed people who know to feed raw bones don't necessarily know not to feed weight-bearing bones. I didn't. I was giving raw knuckles and femurs like crazy to my boys for a long time, luckily with no incident. When I learned better, I switched them to ribs.There has already been one user I can think of on this board with a trip to the emergency Vet, a costly trip, for they did not do their homework in regards to weight bearing bone.
I don't trust anything about a dog food company that does not list all ingredients and nutritional information on their website. Sketchy thing number 12394872378978 from Abady. What are they hiding?Yes, I will get those ingredients to you but need some time. I picked up a new box recently and won't need feed for 3 months.
Just like you consider something that comes off of a plant to not be a plant, right?It is the extract, not the plant itself and obviously something natural to preserve the fats.
We are all entitled to our opinions and mine happen to differ from yours when it comes to commercial dry feeds. I think you like EVO, and that is something I would choose not to feed because of certain ingredients, just like you would stay away from Abady because of certain ingredients.THAT is why I do NOT feed Abady. I have a better understanding and I feel there are better feeds
So we can assume it happens frequently because it is a common mistake and not an isloated incident.This particular person made a common mistake.
I feed the product because I feel it is the absolute best in the commercial market and have had nothing but excellent results for 7 years.Sounds like someone has bought into A LOT of ONE company's marketing and promotional material, and has been entirely brainwashed and blindsighted by it. But I won't point fingers, of course.
Quality is again a matter of opinion. I feel through my research Chicken By-Product Meal is equally nutritious to Chicken Meal. By-Products in themselves are also equally nutritious to that of meat muscle. IMO the focus should be on the quantity of the animal source proteins in the ration but not necessarily the quality appeal of those ingredients. They could use road-kill for all I care, so long as animal source protein remain the focus.But what good is animal content if virtually none of it is from a quality meat source?
Have you ever read one word of their promotional material you don't believe? I have a saying that is very true and you should pay attention to it. "Always be wary of information given you by someone who stands to make money off any decision you make based on that information." You should print those words out in big letters, frame it, and hang it on your wall. :smile:
I do say so because it's true. That information is readily available if you look other places besided Abady's promotional material.If you say so.
I was simply making a point that no one eats a balanced diet every day or even any given day. Besides, what is balance? Who knows? Those that claim to know (and they don't) constantly change the "balance".That's a new one, unhealthy to eat balanced diets every day. We're not built for feast or famine like carnivore dog. When they eat in the wild they get it right all the time, even if that is once a week.
It's not. I've been feeding my dogs and cats that way for 7 years with no prolbem. They are fine healthy animals.Sounds too easy to be true.
If you consider cutting off a part of an animal and freezing it as processing, then yes it's processed but don't you do the same with game animals?Whole prey is safe, yes that would be fresh road kill as well. Whole prey model is processed food. Only if you're hunting your own game or picking up road kill is the food unprocessed.
I don't remember the particular case you are talking about but yes accidents happen. Hospitals and vet's offices are full of accidents every day. Dog's have accidents in countless ways.People do mistakes like the person on this list and ended up with a trip to the emergency vet because they did not do their homework. It happens.
I don't need to try the product. It's a kibble that has never been extruded into the little nugets. Nothing more.Probably because of people like you and Miss Corgi Paws who bash feeds and never once tried the product.
And there have been dogs that won that race that eat Eukanuba and Purina and other worthless brands. What's your point?Tell that to the sled dog team that finish the race in good standing. But we all know you think that is a bunch of lies and marketing. That would be the High Competition and Stress Formula, and it is way out of your league.
No, I have found everything what they say to be true.Have you ever read one word of their promotional material you don't believe?
Good words of wisdom. That also includes dog trainers in my book.I have a saying that is very true and you should pay attention to it. "Always be wary of information given you by someone who stands to make money off any decision you make based on that information." You should print those words out in big letters, frame it, and hang it on your wall. :smile:
You mean info like in Orijen "White Paper"? The same company that includes Marigold Flowers and lawn weeds like Dandelions? I know of plenty of companies that preach the carnivore theme, but deliver omnivore nutrition.I do say so because it's true. That information is readily available if you look other places besided Abady's promotional material.
Balance is about being properly structured in the diet, everything right and within the correct percentages, all the time.I was simply making a point that no one eats a balanced diet every day or even any given day. Besides, what is balance? Who knows? Those that claim to know (and they don't) constantly change the "balance".
So are mine. However I am not feeding my cats good nutrition but they supplement their diets very well outdoors. That counts for something and will help reduce the dangers created by the 'nutritional gap' left by omnivore nutrition.It's not. I've been feeding my dogs and cats that way for 7 years with no prolbem. They are fine healthy animals.
But where is the tomato pomace? Beet Pulp, Apples, Garlic, Yucca, Soy? Dandelions? Berries, Cranberries, blue berries? Beans, oats, broccoli, wheat, barley? sun-cured alfalfa, kelp? Flaxseed, Potatoes?I don't need to try the product. It's a kibble that has never been extruded into the little nugets. Nothing more.
Point is, there is no way dogs can finish the race four paws on the ground with omnivore nutrition. Abady dogs finish in good standing without the necessary supplementation needed to accompany omnivore diets. No musher is going to risk their dogs by feeding more than 25% of the kibble diet regardless of the banner on their backs. They must supplement with meat on the trail, mostly beaver and mink. In other words RFD, they HAVE to cheat to have any hopes of finishing the race. Abady Raw High Stress and Competition and combined with granular high stress formula, is the exclusive diet of the dogs, and finish in good standing with NO supplementation. You are not going to get that out of any kibble, they must be supplemented.And there have been dogs that won that race that eat Eukanuba and Purina and other worthless brands. What's your point?
If you're refering to tooth damage from giving weight-bearing bones like femurs and knuckles to chew...I would say it's a common mistake. Just as feeding crap food is a common mistake. Pleanty of people trying to do what's best for their dogs buy weight bearing bones from large animals for their pups not knowing the dangers of them. After all, they're on the shelf at the pet store, so they must be okay, right?So we can assume it happens frequently because it is a common mistake and not an isloated incident.
