If you lay the proper foundation as mentioned in my earlier post in the other thread, there will be no need to teach your dog in protection. A protection trained dog is not a pet. He is a lethal weapon and carries great liability. Protection training is WAY beyond the abilities of an amateur trainer.We are getting a doberman puppy in mid-July. How do you, or can you, train a dog to be protective without having him become too aggressive?
Many dogs -- even ones that aren't aggressive or vicious to strangers -- have a habit of barking when they hear noises close by outside. (Our dog is one of them.)If you're looking for more of a guard dog (one that will bark to warn of visitors) that will come naturally...especally with a Dobie.
That's what I was trying to imply, but didn't quite make my statement as broad as I should have. :wink:Many dogs -- even ones that aren't aggressive or vicious to strangers -- have a habit of barking when they hear noises close by outside. (Our dog is one of them.)
The point I was making is that once your dog is a trained protection dog, he is now considered a lethal weapon and if he, for whatever reason, bit someone for any reason, you have a lot of liability. Probably about the same as if you pulled out a gun and shot them.I completely (but respectfully) disagree with all of you. When you have a dog with natural protective instincts, the best thing you can do for that dog and anyone who may choose to attack you in the future or who may be perceived as a threat is to train that dog to focus and control those instincts rather than just having it snap one day because it's going purely on impulse rather than training.
Do you find this to be an acceptable thing to do? Do you have control of her if she decided to snap or bite at the "stranger"?She will be standing in front of me perpendicular to me with her eyes fixed on the stranger. If anyone gets closer to me than shanking hands, she growls. For instance if someone hugs me or puts their arm around my shoulder, she will prize her way between us and growl. That ALWAYS accomplishes what she wants it to. :smile: It also makes me miss out on some hugs I would love to have. LOL
Yes, it lets the stranger know that they shouldn't do anything that might make the dog think their intetions weren't good.Do you find this to be an acceptable thing to do?
In normal situations, after she is there for a minute or so, I will snap my finger and move my hand in a circular motion pointing her to get behind me which she does. She won't be a problem. If the people start moving around, she will replace herself between me and them until I motion her back behind me again. I'm not in the least worried about a snap or bite. She is just being careful and watchful.Do you have control of her if she decided to snap or bite at the "stranger"?
Well thats one area where she is adament. She won't even let my wife hug me. She will bark (and she has a BIG bark) and wedge herself between us to seperate us. She will also do the same with Peggy. She won't let anyone hug her either. One time one of her friends was over and when leaving, they were hugging goodbye and Abby physically wedged between them and pushed the woman away from Peggy. She (the woman) thought it was cute. :smile:I would never allow my dog to decide who they should keep away from me, let alone who I shoud hug!
Ahhh...now to me this is different. Sorry, in a profession where the word "protection" is thrown around too often I was assuming something more informal.Thanks for all the feedback. Our new pup's mom and dad are Schutzhund trained. If anyone would like to see pictures of them in action, they can go to FamilyDobes.com. His dad is Uragan and his mom is Ruby.
I don't know if I will be able to find someone in my area to do this type of training, but if so, I was just worried that he would become too aggressive. It sounds like that, with the right trainer, it really is possible. I wish I could go to the breeder and have him trained, but we live just outside of Tucson and he is up in Utah. Until then, he will definitely be trained in obedience!!
haha. I would have thought the same for my dogs, that they'd run for the open street if anyone let them out. Funny enough, though, my friend (now roommate) who is here quite often, who they know and are used to, came home one day and walked in the door, and they all ran to greet her, and she stepped back outside, with the door open, and all three of them ran out, ran about three feet, but decided that they'd rather greet her than run for freedom, and all ran right back in and surrounded her for their fair share of attention. I about died of shock that Amaya didn't even run for the open street. haha.But I know that if someone was motivated enough to get in they would just open the front door and let them all out rendering them "useless" in regards to protection.
the best way to get a dog to protect you is to buy a dog with a natural genetic predisposition for protectiveness of its pack. dobermans,rotties,mastiffs are all good examples of this. the net step is to love and pamper it so it knows you are a member of its pack as well as the rest of your family is. Although make sure it knows you are the leader. The last step is,when danger arises....let the dogs natural instincts shine through. If youre getting attacked a doberman will prob naturally protect you. My golden retrievor is a great watchdog not guard dog. he barks when things are outside...i can only imagine what a dobby would do if there was an intruder...although once a stranger enters my home my golden showers them with kissWe are getting a doberman puppy in mid-July. How do you, or can you, train a dog to be protective without having him become too aggressive?