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Here is the ingredient list before the change.

Fresh chicken meat, chicken meal, salmon meal, turkey meal, pea starch concentrate, green split peas, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, rosemary, citric acid), whole eggs, flaxseed, salmon oil, dried alfalfa, carrots, apples, broccoli, bok choy, cabbage, cranberries, Saskatoon berries, dried kelp, dried pumpkin meal, colostrum, sea buckthorn, fenugreek protein meal, dried pomegranate, dried astragalus root, dried milk thistle, glucosamine HCl, chondroitin sulphate, garlic, enzymes (dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, dried aspergillus niger extract, pineapple, dried trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation product, rhizopus oryzae), probiotics (dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried bifidobacterium bifidum fermentation product, and dried lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product), yucca schidigera extract, mannan oligosaccharide (MOS), burdock root extract (FOS), vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, vitamin B12, riboflavin, niacin, folic acid, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, d-calcium pantothenate, biotin, vitamin C (ascorbyl phosphate), ferrous sulphate, iron proteinate*, zinc sulphate, zinc proteinate*, manganous oxide, manganese proteinate*, copper sulphate, copper proteinate*, calcium iodate, sodium selenite, seleno methionine, magnesium oxide.

Here is after


Chicken
chicken meal
pea
pea starch
turkey meal
chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, source of vitamin E)
salmon meal
pea fibre
flaxseed
egg product
salmon oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols, vitamin E)
carrots
apples
broccoli
bok choy
cabbage
blueberries
salt
fructooligosaccharides
yucca schidigera extract
dried aspergillus niger fermentation extract
dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract
pineapple
dried trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract
dried rhizopus oryzae fermentation extract
dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product
dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product
dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product
dried bifidobacterium bifidum fermentation product
dried lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product
vitamin A acetate
vitamin D3 supplement
vitamin E supplement
vitamin B12 supplement
riboflavin
niacin
folic acid
pyridoxine hydrochloride
thiamine mononitrate
d-calcium pantothenate
biotin
l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C)
ferrous sulphate
iron proteinate*
zinc sulphate
zinc proteinate*
manganous oxide
manganese proteinate*
copper sulphate
copper proteinate*
calcium iodate
sodium selenite
magnesium oxide
Here's a message from Horizon on why they made the changes.

There is some concern that Horizon Legacy formulations have changed and that these changes have reduced the quality of the food. We want to assure our retailer partners, distributor partners and our valued customers that this is not the case. You can be confident that Horizon Legacy products are of the same high quality you have come to trust.

There are new rules and regulations coming into existence in the near future that will impact many North American manufactured products. These rules now restrict the type of ingredients that may be used in pet foods and they change the ingredient descriptions that may be used in an ingredient panel that identify raw inputs. For example “eggs” must now read as “egg product”. The ingredient used is the same as before, the description is slightly different.

Protein levels have been reduced slightly to meet increasing consumer and veterinarian demands for a more moderate protein level in kibble pet foods. Horizon maintains that higher protein levels are not a cause for concern, provided that the quality of the meat that goes into the food is of the highest available. The quality of the meat that goes into all Horizon products meets the highest standards for human grade products and is all sourced from the human food chain. Horizon does not use any by-products which often include feet, feathers and entrails, and the chicken and turkey protein comes from muscle meat only which is much more digestible and bio-available. The meat protein levels in all of Horizon’s products are still very high and typically higher than most other products available today. Most importantly, the quality of the meat can be trusted and there is still a formulation available for most dogs and cats needs. For those high energy and/or working dogs who still required a higher than normal protein level, Horizon’s puppy formulation is still available. For the majority of moderately active dogs, the slightly lower protein/fat level of Horizon Legacy’s adult formulation will be a perfect fit.

Colostrum and the other botanicals that were once included in Horizon Legacy’s foods have been removed as a requirement of new AAFCO regulations. AAFCO will not allow ingredients in pet foods that are not patented or have scientific “proof” of their benefits. According to AAFCO, simply having these ingredients in the ingredient panel is the same as making a drug claim and is not allowed. While this has been extremely frustrating, it is important for us to follow the rules and meet all the packaging and manufacturing requirements of AAFCO and other regulatory bodies. Saskatoon berries have been replaced by blueberries as AAFCO does not recognize Saskatoon berries as a pet food ingredient.

Horizon Legacy still uses high levels of very high quality, nutrient dense muscle meat, prebiotics, probiotics, balanced omega 3/6 fatty acids, digestive enzymes, fresh fruits and vegetables that dogs and cats derive all of their daily nutritional requirements from. The pre and probiotics and the digestive enzymes are all added at the end of the production cycle to maintain viability and the kibble is cooked at the lowest possible temperature to preserve as much nutrient value as possible.

Horizon products were the first to acknowledge the need for pet foods to be considered low on the glycemic index and consequently all products have been formulated as “low GI” foods. Horizon believes that low GI foods are much more beneficial for dogs and cats. The Glycemic Index is a scale that ranks the carbohydrates in foods by how much they raise blood glucose levels compared to sugar. In general, the lower the GI rating of a food, the better the quality of a carbohydrate. When a pet eats food that contains carbohydrates, the sugar (glucose) from the food breaks down during digestion and gives them energy. After they eat, their blood glucose level rises; the speed at which the food is able to increase their blood glucose level is called the “glycemic response”. This glycemic response is influenced by many factors, including how much food they eat and how much the food has been processed. Not only do low GI foods have a slower glycemic response causing a less dramatic spike in a pet’s blood sugar level, but most low GI foods are all-around healthier choices. They are usually lower in calories and fat and higher in fiber, nutrients and antioxidants. Feeding a dog or cat a low GI food may help to increase levels of HDL (healthy) cholesterol and may help control their appetite as they will feel full for longer. Low GI foods may reduce obesity and provide a pet more consistent energy levels throughout the day. They have also been linked to lower rates of diabetes and other diseases.

Horizon Manufacturing practices can also be highly trusted. We built our own new state-of-the-art manufacturing facility so that we could control and monitor the quality of pet food produced, from development to finished product. We personally source each and every one of the ingredients we use to eliminate the risk of substandard or contaminated ingredients in your pet’s food. The following describes the key elements to Horizon Manufacturing’s process standards:

* Horizon adheres to a strict policy of only dealing with producers who employ ethical treatment for all animals and organisms
* All products are produced under modern and advanced food specifications
* All production processes and product development is extensively researched, calling on various experts in their fields to ensure high standards
* All activity in our facility focuses on a “green” and environmentally conscious approach
* All members of the Horizon team are dedicated to best manufacturing practices to maintain product quality and a safe working environment

Horizon is a trusted manufacturer of quality and healthy pet foods. The changes made recently do not deviate from our standards or mission to produce only the best foods using the best ingredients. The products we produce are still of the highest quality using the freshest ingredients sourced from the human food chain. We stand behind our products and believe we produce the best pet food available. Thank you for your continued trust in all Horizon products.

Does this make sense, or are they blowing smoke up our asses?

OOPS!! This was supposed to be in the canned and kibble section. If a mod can move it it would be appreciated.
 

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blowing smoke, why would they move some of their meats from the 3rd ingredient down to being the 6th ingredient. 100% of the first 4 ingredients were meats now only 50%
 

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Protein levels have been reduced slightly to meet increasing consumer and veterinarian demands for a more moderate protein level in kibble pet foods.

great, so this is being driven by two groups who have failed to understand canine nutrition over the years (consumer masses who keep reading internet myths about high protein and vets who were indoctrinated by Hills).
 

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I wouldn't feed it. :eek:
Still looks better than 99% of foods out there. Though yeah I don't think I'll be feeding it since I feed Orijen, and Evo for now.

*SHAKES HEAD* Honestly this is all pushing me to raw. I wrote Horizon about the changes, and why they were made. This was before I saw Horizon's response, on their blog.
 

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What the heck??!! :mad:
Well, atleast there is Orijen and Acana....for now.....:rolleyes: Hopefully they will be around another year or so. After we move I will more than likely be going raw all the way!
 

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Here's another thing that irked me...

These rules now restrict the type of ingredients that may be used in pet foods and they change the ingredient descriptions that may be used in an ingredient panel that identify raw inputs. For example “eggs” must now read as “egg product”. The ingredient used is the same as before, the description is slightly different.
If it's "eggs", why did it have to be changed to "egg product"? Also has anyone heard about these rule changes?
 

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Our whippet was doing awesome on Horizon Legacy until they changed the formula. He had crazy explosive diarrhea. He usually has no issues with foods other than gas. Anyway, I couldn't find any other kibble that controlled his gas so he is now on raw along with our other dog.
 
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