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HI, I introduced my pup in the new member area. He is a 6 month old BC I rescued from the pound. After doing research on dog food and reading tons of forum posts and ingredient lists and dog food theories etc., I started him out on Dr Tim's Kinesis GF. He was doing very well on it, his stools and coat were very nice. After a few months, however, he started limping and the vet said he had pano and that I needed to switch him to something lower in protein and fat. I switched him to Annamaet encore and the pano subsided, however, his coat seemed to be more dry. His stools were still good, a little more loose but slightly smaller than on Kinesis. Since his coat was more dry and 25/14 seems low for a puppy, I decided to switch him to Kinesis ALS to see if it would work out better.

As of now Luke is not extremely active, I take him on a walk every day and play with him. When he is older, however, I plan to run with him a few miles about 3 times a week and go on 6 or so mile hikes probably twice a month. So not extremely active but more so than an average house dog.

Anyway, that's my dog food journey so far. I have some questions I was hoping you all could answer. In my mind the types of quality dog foods available can be categorized, roughly, into two types based on ingredient lists and protein/fat levels. First, there are Annamaet, Dr. Tims, Fromm type foods that seem to be well respected, have lower (as compared to group two) protein levels and use "meal". Second, there are Acana, Oijen, and NV Instinct type foods that are very high in protein and do not use meal.

My questions are First, is there a significant difference between the two approaches. Specifically, is that much protein good or unnecessary in a diet. All these foods seem to be well respected although the protein/fat profiles are very different. Second, what are your opinions within each group. Third, how important are AAFCO feeding trials since Dr. Tim's is the only one of the group that has submitted the food to such trials.

I really appreciate any help. Wading through the plethora of information and divergent opinions has been interesting and a bit confusing but if I'm going to take care of a dog and spend money on food for him I'd like to get the best I can for him (for a reasonable price that is Orijen is a little much, I'm not sure my food cost that much lol). Thanks again.
 

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That's interesting. Why should you not stick with one food? Also should you make sure that the foods you switch between have similar protein, fat levels and calories?
 

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Thanks for the advice Bill, I did have him on Kinesis GF before which is higher in protein and fat. That said, his pano did get better after switching to Annamaet Encore so I'm not sure what made it better or if it was a coincidence but something made it better.

So would feeding Luke Momentum (or Orijen etc.) not be too much for him if I'm not working him like an Iditarod Dog?

Also, I am actually looking for another vet but for more reasons than just that. I will ask the next vet about Luke's diet and see if he thinks the Pano was related to the richness of the food.
 

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That's interesting, and seems to comport with most of the information I have read. I'll have to think about switching him to that. He does already have a ton of energy though so I'm a little concerned he'll have an amount of energy that is unmanageable for me until he is grown and I can run him more.

What would you consider a slow transition? A week?
 

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Oh wow I would not have considered transitioning that slowly. I'll keep that in mind and watch his stool.

I'll talk with the new vet and see if he think I can start running him more. That would definitely help get some of his energy out. He gets quite nippy when he has excess energy.

Also he is not neutered. I rescued him too young to be neutered. Thy wanted me to neuter him at 5 months but I was uncomfortable doing it that young from the information I had read. I am going to wait until he is 12 months to neuter him.
 

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I just read those papers. That's some scary stuff. Since I rescued him from a shelter I may be legally required to neuter him at some point. I'll have to look into that. I'll definitely delay it as long as possible though. And I'll look into the vasectomy. I didn't know that was a possibility for dogs. Thanks again for the help I appreciate it.

I have always had dogs in my family when I was growingg up but this is the first dog that I have ever bought and been responsible for. So I'm trying to learn all I can.
 

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Is there not a significant risk of intact male dogs taking off when they smell a bitch in heat? I've never been around an intact dog. Just female cats, and they kind of go crazy.
 

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I just wanted to thank you all for the advice and update you.

I decided to slowly switch Luke to Dr. Tim's Glacier Formula which is 32% (89% of which is animal derived) protein 22% fat. I will keep him on that for about 5 months until he is 12 months old then slowly switch him to Momentum (It was Dr. Tim's suggestion that I maybe wait until he is 12 months to switch to momentum). I am hoping this will also help with his UTI's since Dr Tim said Kinesis' PH was around 7. Glacier should lower that since there is significantly more meat. (This is as far as kibble is concerned. As I mentioned in another post I am thinking about introducing some raw as well).

I haven't totally decided about the neutering yet. My (new) vet suggests that I should seriously consider it around 12 months mostly for behavioral issues. He seems to think that intact male dogs hump far too often. Right now I am simply going to keep an eye on him and see if any of the stereotypical intact associated behaviors (excessive humping, roaming, aggression) become problematic. If they never become out of control I may just opt for the vasectomy. Thanks again for the help. I'm sure Luke will be better off for it.
 

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I'd be interested to read those studies if you could direct me to them. The Vizla study you showed me earlier reported that there was no significant difference in behavioral disorders between intact and neutered dogs. The one exception was fear of storms.

Increased risk of cancer, however, was present no matter the age. Which is something I will definitely keep in mind.
 
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