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How do you all feel about docking tails/cropping ears? I don't want this to get nasty or turn into a giant debate, I really am just curious. I asked this question on another forum and the overwhelming response was that it's fine to do both to any dog, especially if it conforms to breed standard--whether or not the dog is a show dog or working dog.

I kind of feel that if your dog is not a working dog or a show dog, there's not a HUGE need for it to be cropped/docked except for that cosmetic reason, and honestly cropping is almost always cosmetic. and to me, that's not a good reason to put my dog through any amount of pain.

However, I DO understand that some people do want that, and that's their own business. I'm not bashing anyone or trying to start something, it's just a curiousity.

So please like I said nobody get nasty! I know there are people with strong feelings about this and I'm not trying to push buttons.
 

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I don't like the idea at all. But our JRT had her tail done before I ever saw her, and I think that little stub is cute. But if I ever get another I will request that the tail be left alone.
 

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I personally don't see any reason to. Unless there is some safety concern or something I would never have it done.
How do you all feel about docking tails/cropping ears? I don't want this to get nasty or turn into a giant debate, I really am just curious. I asked this question on another forum and the overwhelming response was that it's fine to do both to any dog, especially if it conforms to breed standard--whether or not the dog is a show dog or working dog.

I kind of feel that if your dog is not a working dog or a show dog, there's not a HUGE need for it to be cropped/docked except for that cosmetic reason, and honestly cropping is almost always cosmetic. and to me, that's not a good reason to put my dog through any amount of pain.

However, I DO understand that some people do want that, and that's their own business. I'm not bashing anyone or trying to start something, it's just a curiousity.

So please like I said nobody get nasty! I know there are people with strong feelings about this and I'm not trying to push buttons.
 

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Personally I like it on Boxers. Our puppy's tail was docked but that was done before we even knew the breeder (it's done at only a few days old). We chose not to get his ears done since we're not showing him, it's a pain in the tush, doesn't always come out right, and many more reasons so we didn't do it, but personally with some breeds that is just part of what makes them that breed as that is what has always been done (ie tail docking). I wouldn't dock the tail of a 4 month old puppy, but I see no issues doing it at just a few days old.
 

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When my parents got there 1st Dane they got his ears cropped. He always had sore ears after that and my parents felt terrible. Since then we have both had many Danes and havent gotten there ears done. Over seas they dont crop any of the show Danes ears. In the states I still see over 50% cropped at the shows. I also see alot of bad crop jobs and it realy ruins a pretty head.
 

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personally i wouldn't do it. even if it was a dog breed that owners usually had altered to fit the standard. i grew up with a pit/dane mix and his ears and tail were never docked.

even right now my oz has dew claws that some tell me to remove because it "looks cleaner" but he uses the front ones as thumbs to hold his bone or chew toys.
 

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I say NO to docking and cropping!!! If there was a way to ban docking and cropping in this country I would do it in a heartbeat. It's illegal in other countries and I'd make it illegal here as well if I could.

As I mentioned in other threads, my mom bred Dobermans when I was a kid. She also had Schnauzers and her best friend bred Poodles. They used to dock the puppies tails at home and I thought it was so stupid to cut the perfectly good tails off for no good reason. They had another breeder friend who cropped the ears. They complained how the vets didn't know how to cut the ears to the proper shape, so breeders did their own ears. I vowed back then to never ever own a breed that required ear cropping or tail docking, and to this day all the dogs I've ever had as an adult have had long tails and natural ears.

I don't think it's necessary to mutilate their bodies for cosmetic reasons. I don't believe in cosmetic surgery for humans either, so why do it to animals?? Animals don't care what they look like. Are humans that vain that they need do do this to their pets??

Even show dogs don't need short ears or tails in other countries and certainly they don't need to be hacked off to be a perfect specimen of the breed. Judges should be looking for genetic breed standards such as body type, bone structure, head shape, coat, etc. Not the way someone cuts off the ears and tails. If the world's best Doberman was in Australia, why should it be disqualified in a US show ring? Just because the AKC judges here think a perfect Doberman should have pointy ears?? That's dumb.

Other countries show dogs without docking and cropping and the people in the US need learn to see the beauty in animals just the way nature intended them to be.

(ok, rant off)



Mr T says NO to docking and cropping!
 

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Neither of my dogs have their dew claws done, their tales are natural, and their ears are natural as well. I prefer them to be like this. =D
 
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Just as a side note, it's not required for Dobes to be cropped in this country, and several natural eared Dobes have finished their CH successfully. It's not the norm, and they may take longer to finish than one who is cropped, but it is possible.
 

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Just as a side note, it's not required for Dobes to be cropped in this country, and several natural eared Dobes have finished their CH successfully. It's not the norm, and they may take longer to finish than one who is cropped, but it is possible.
True, but a lot of the "old school" breeders like my mom, still want to see them with pointy ears. I get into heated discussions with her it on a regular basis about this, and she won't budge one bit.
I'm sure a lot of the judges (who are also usually older) think the same way she does, and when making a decision between two dogs in the ring will pick the one with the cropped ears over the natural ears.
 

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I'm sure a lot of the judges (who are also usually older) think the same way she does, and when making a decision between two dogs in the ring will pick the one with the cropped ears over the natural ears.
Sounds like we need to get some new judges in those show rings!
 

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Sounds like we need to get some new judges in those show rings!
Eventually all the younger breeders will grow old and replace the judges out there now. Maybe they can also get dogs back to their natural body shapes too and the AKC will stress genetic health and not encourage dogs that are manmade genetic freaks with distorted body structure that can't eat, breathe or reproduce naturally.

Well... I can dream can't I?
 
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Well I myself consider the Crop and Dock of my dog as something nice.
I don't consider it an EGO booster by any means, yes something unique, but not really when mostly all the Dobermans do it.
I also don't consider my dog a genetic freak either. More like a genetic fantasy.

I know I'm really the only one that's for this and such, but I think that when people talk about it being "animal cruelty" ... there's just so many other things I've seen and fixed within our rescue group that makes a docked tail and cropped ears look like nothing.

And someone posted about "many dobermans with natural ears get their CH" ... I would really like to see such a percentage on this. I've shown Dobermans for about 2 years. Dobermans are one of the most political show dogs for conformation, and I have not seen more than 5 different dobermans in the breed ring with natural ears, none champions.

I do feel that you should have a professional do something like this though. Not meaning to hate any local vets nor my own, but there are some people that are much more qualified than others. My breeder (in Chicago) pays for a specialist in Doberman ears to come from Montana for her puppies. She knows what she's doing, and the breeder does as well.

Now I don't know if I would actually crop a puppies ears of my own if I ever got a puppy, but generally a GOOD breeder will dock and crop their puppies before they sell them. (my breeder and many others I know sell their puppies at 12 weeks, to make sure the ears, tail, and everything else with the puppy is healthy and good)

I know the person didn't want it nasty, but I hate things that I've had for so long and also something that I own, especially something as great as my dog. I've trained, shown, and live with my dog and spoil her rotten...
But really, every dog is different, wheter they're docked or cropped or not. I've had rescue dogs with either docked, or cropped, or neither. They've all got their own personality that you've got to love in their own way...
 

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Well I myself consider the Crop and Dock of my dog as something nice.
I don't consider it an EGO booster by any means, yes something unique, but not really when mostly all the Dobermans do it.
I also don't consider my dog a genetic freak either. More like a genetic fantasy.

I know I'm really the only one that's for this and such, but I think that when people talk about it being "animal cruelty" ... there's just so many other things I've seen and fixed within our rescue group that makes a docked tail and cropped ears look like nothing.

And someone posted about "many dobermans with natural ears get their CH" ... I would really like to see such a percentage on this. I've shown Dobermans for about 2 years. Dobermans are one of the most political show dogs for conformation, and I have not seen more than 5 different dobermans in the breed ring with natural ears, none champions.

I do feel that you should have a professional do something like this though. Not meaning to hate any local vets nor my own, but there are some people that are much more qualified than others. My breeder (in Chicago) pays for a specialist in Doberman ears to come from Montana for her puppies. She knows what she's doing, and the breeder does as well.

Now I don't know if I would actually crop a puppies ears of my own if I ever got a puppy, but generally a GOOD breeder will dock and crop their puppies before they sell them. (my breeder and many others I know sell their puppies at 12 weeks, to make sure the ears, tail, and everything else with the puppy is healthy and good)

I know the person didn't want it nasty, but I hate things that I've had for so long and also something that I own, especially something as great as my dog. I've trained, shown, and live with my dog and spoil her rotten...
But really, every dog is different, wheter they're docked or cropped or not. I've had rescue dogs with either docked, or cropped, or neither. They've all got their own personality that you've got to love in their own way...
Your dog might be a genetic fantasy, which I think is great, but the way the ears and tail are cut has nothing to do with genetics.

You're right, there are a lot of worse things done to animals which are cruel, but that doesn't justify cropping and docking as being less than cruel.

As I mentioned before, uncropped Dobermans might be perfect specimens of the breed, but without the ears done to perfection, the odds of them winning are slim in the US. I do have a big problem with this and I hope the opinions will change about what looks good and what doesn't.

Since you also rescue and admit that ears and tails have nothing to do with personality, maybe you can learn to see the beauty in Dobermans as nature intended. They are wonderful, intelligent, beautiful dogs, I know, I grew up with many of them. But I know that the pointy ears and short tails wasn't their main quality, it was their personality and devotion to us. If they all had floppy ears and long tails, they'd still be great dogs.
 
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