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I'm just curious if your dogs have gained any extra weight by free feeding richer foods like Evo? I free feed Core right now with no problems, but am going to start switching to Evo, and am just curious if I can still free feed, or if I should feeding measured out meals?
 

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When Aspen was on EVO, I didn't free feed him. As he will eat, eat and eat. I fed him twice a day. I say give it a try...all dogs are different. You will see if she gains weight or not. :smile:
 

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We free fed Ania Evo Red Meat with no problems. But she wasn't very interested in ANY kibble we gave her. Even the super-premium stuff! She would eat just enough to maintain her weight.

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Ok, thanks! I'll give it a try for a little while and see how it goes. If they start gaining weight or eating way too much I'll be sure to start them on meals.
 

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:smile:You can also "free feed" a grazer a measured amount if you see weight gain... like put 2 cups or whatever amount in the bowl in the morning and let the dog eat at their own pace all day, and when that day's portion is gone for the day, it's gone.
Kind of an inbetween scheduled feedings and free feeding.
 

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:smile:You can also "free feed" a grazer a measured amount if you see weight gain... like put 2 cups or whatever amount in the bowl in the morning and let the dog eat at their own pace all day, and when that day's portion is gone for the day, it's gone.
Kind of an inbetween scheduled feedings and free feeding.
I may try that. My problem is Jack won't eat if Venus wants to get in either of the bowls. So I need to keep an eye on him too to make sure that if Venus is extra hungry, Jack is still getting enough food.
 

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we had four shih tzus and malia, the corgi mix....and we free fed them.

now that we have bubba the pug, we are on scheduled feedings because he'd eat the bowl....sometimes we catch him eyeing malia 'that' way LOL....he is so food driven....i rarely have to sweep.

i think it depends on the dog....and giving them measured feedings would probably work..that way, you know what your dog is eating every day..and can adjust accordingly.

the one thing that scheduled feedings does accomplish is it lets your dogs know who is feeding them....and it goes a long way in establishing you as the leader and the giver of food..

i'm a fan of NILIF....i figure if i have to work for my food, then so do they
 

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i free feed. i use a 3 qt stainless steeel bowl. i used to fill it to the top and put it out in the morning, my dog had total control over his meals. he ate only enough to maintain PERFECT weight. since im switching to grain free, im a little more careful about his feeding. i still SORTA free feeed. now i measure out his daily food of 2 cups and put it out in the morning. this way there's no chance of him eating too much, and he can go get it whenever he wants. he usually eats a cup of it in the morning and then goes back and eats another cup at night. the total free feeding i used to do has taught him to not overendulge, and its good to prevent bloating!

i might go back to fully freefeeding once hes transitioned to grain free also.
 

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due to possible connections between bloat and the consumption of large amount of food at once (especially on some of the larger, deep chested breeds), i would never consider free feeding for my dog. some dogs may graze at their food throughout the day and it may not be an issue. i also consider meal time an important part of daily routine and also a good time to evaluate how my dogs are feeling for that day based on their eating habits.
 

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due to possible connections between bloat and the consumption of large amount of food at once, i would never consider free feeding for my dog. some dogs may graze at their food throughout the day and it may not be an issue. i also consider meal time an important part of daily routine and also a good time to evaluate how my dogs are feeling for that day based on their eating habits.
Very true, I've heard storied about eating too much and bloat. I've never worried because my two never eat more than 5 or 6 kibble pieces at a time. Then the run around and play, and eat another mouth full later. I'll definitely keep a close eye on them the first couple days and if they're eating too much at a time I'll stop free feeding.
 

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i free feed. i use a 3 qt stainless steeel bowl. i used to fill it to the top and put it out in the morning, my dog had total control over his meals. he ate only enough to maintain PERFECT weight. since im switching to grain free, im a little more careful about his feeding. i still SORTA free feeed. now i measure out his daily food of 2 cups and put it out in the morning. this way there's no chance of him eating too much, and he can go get it whenever he wants. he usually eats a cup of it in the morning and then goes back and eats another cup at night. the total free feeding i used to do has taught him to not overendulge, and its good to prevent bloating!

i might go back to fully freefeeding once hes transitioned to grain free also.
due to possible connections between bloat and the consumption of large amount of food at once (especially on some of the larger, deep chested breeds), i would never consider free feeding for my dog. some dogs may graze at their food throughout the day and it may not be an issue. i also consider meal time an important part of daily routine and also a good time to evaluate how my dogs are feeling for that day based on their eating habits.
ffree feeding has been shown to reduce bloat. dogs who are only iven their food at scheduled times will dive into their foods with a lot of intensity usually
 

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ffree feeding has been shown to reduce bloat. dogs who are only iven their food at scheduled times will dive into their foods with a lot of intensity usually
Would you mind linking these studies? I googled for it, as I've never heard of free feding reducing bloat (i've heard the opposite, actually) but found no such studies. I'm not saying you're wrong, just would like to see the source, as it's news to me. :smile:
 

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I'm just curious if your dogs have gained any extra weight by free feeding richer foods like Evo? I free feed Core right now with no problems, but am going to start switching to Evo, and am just curious if I can still free feed, or if I should feeding measured out meals?
We free feed our dog EVO. He gets a measured amount once a day. Usually it's about a 1/2 hr after his morning run, but sometimes it can be later. He doesn't seem to have a problem with it...
 

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Would you mind linking these studies? I googled for it, as I've never heard of free feding reducing bloat (i've heard the opposite, actually) but found no such studies. I'm not saying you're wrong, just would like to see the source, as it's news to me. :smile:
wel las far as i know there arent any ''studies'' per say, but i am a primary source, who can testify that my dog does not rampage his food since he freefeeds. several people i know set a feeding time and their dogs rampage the food, which obviously incrreases chance of bloating.

however i saw a lot of people on yahoo answers state that it can reduce bloating. i can look for the links later if yah want.
 

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wel las far as i know there arent any ''studies'' per say, but i am a primary source, who can testify that my dog does not rampage his food since he freefeeds. several people i know set a feeding time and their dogs rampage the food, which obviously incrreases chance of bloating.

however i saw a lot of people on yahoo answers state that it can reduce bloating. i can look for the links later if yah want.
Ah I see. So it hasn't really been shown to reduce the chances.
I think that bloat is an issue on kibble because of its unnatural state and the fact that it can expand in the stomach, doesn't move through the system fast enough, and can create gasses. Dogs naturally gorge food, but gorging kibble is dangerous in high amounts because of the above reasons.
Feeding smaller amountsat scheduled times seems more benetifial, in my mind. Well, the small portion of my mind that can wrap around kibble to begin with.


ETA: anything on bloat is going to be a generilization placed on ALL dogs. There are and will always be exceptions.
I know plenty of people that free feed with no problems, whose dogs stay at great weight, and it works for them. That's why I didn't even mention scheduled feedings to the OP because obviously free feeding is working for them.
 

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A little off topic, but taken from this website if anyone is interested in reading.

Dog Bloat | Natural Remedies for Canine Bloat

Food

Dry food or concentrated foods that absorb water after being eaten and expand in the dog's stomach can also cause bloat.

A study conducted by Purdue University reveals that dry food that contains a fat source in the first four ingredients are more likely (170%) to cause bloat in dogs than foods without a fat source in the first four ingredients.

Although no studies have been done on the effect of home-prepared diet on dogs regarding bloating, anecdotally many holistic veterinarians have reported that home-made diets can greatly reduce the risk of bloat.

Some types of food (e.g. beans, cheese) can also cause bloating in dogs.
Well, I guess it relates to RCTRIPLEFRESH5 and CorgiPaw's conversation.
 

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wel las far as i know there arent any ''studies'' per say, but i am a primary source, who can testify that my dog does not rampage his food since he freefeeds. several people i know set a feeding time and their dogs rampage the food, which obviously incrreases chance of bloating.

however i saw a lot of people on yahoo answers state that it can reduce bloating. i can look for the links later if yah want.
notice i stated "some dogs may graze at their food throughout the day and it may not be an issue" earlier in the thread. still, there is no reliable evidence that free feeding reduces the risk of bloat. for dogs that may eat a bulk of their daily allowance in a relatively short amount of time, free feeding would be a poor fit.
 

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Dog Bloat | Natural Remedies for Canine Bloat

The exact cause is unknown, but veterinarians have established links between bloat in dogs with certain contributing factors:

Breeds and Build

Bloat seems to be closely related to the breed and build of a dog. Large breeds with deep chests are more likely to have this condition. The Great Dane, Saint Bernard, Standard Poodle, Akita, Basset Hound, Bloodhood, Boxer, Borzoi, Irish Setter, German Shepherd, Doberman Pinschers, Weimaraners, Old English Sheepdog and other large, deep-chested mixed breeds are among those that are prone to develop bloat.

Researchers have also found that pure-bred dogs are 2.5 times more likely to develop dog bloat than mixed breed dogs.

Age and Gender

Bloat occurs most commonly in dogs between 2 to 10 years old. Male dogs are twice as likely to develop gastric dilatation as females.

Eating Habits

Dogs that are fed once a day are found to be twice as likely to develop bloat as those fed twice a day. If a dog is fed once a day, he is likely to be more hungry at mealtime and tends to eat rapidly - a likely factor causing bloat in dogs.

Food

Dry food or concentrated foods that absorb water after being eaten and expand in the dog's stomach can also cause bloat.

A study conducted by Purdue University reveals that dry food that contains a fat source in the first four ingredients are more likely (170%) to cause bloat in dogs than foods without a fat source in the first four ingredients.

Although no studies have been done on the effect of home-prepared diet on dogs regarding bloating, anecdotally many holistic veterinarians have reported that home-made diets can greatly reduce the risk of bloat.

Some types of food (e.g. beans, cheese) can also cause bloating in dogs.

Exercise Time

A dog that exercises soon after a meal may also be at increased risk of developing bloat.
this may not be a study, but it does give some information out...even the study at purdue is specific to dry/canned foods and doesn't address home cooked or raw...

but, objective observation makes me wonder if people aren't missing an opportunity here.

whether one has the perfect dog who eats the perfect amount --- isn't that kind of moo here? when feeding time is such a perfect opportunity for the owner and the dog to keep the pack order in place? on a daily basis?

my pug doesn't free feed for obvious reasons...and anyone who has ever owned a pug, i'm sure, will experience what i'm saying....he is a piranha and i bet i could throw a whole chicken down...and, whilst i were cleaning the house, he'd have it picked clean bones and all.

why worry about bloat or weight gain when we have a perfect opportunity to be the master of the food? it's a training tool, at the very least and at best, it establishes to our dogs that WE provide the food.

anecdotally, for i've never found a study.....free feeding is easy on the owner, not so easy for the dog...and certainly not free for owner or dog......the only study i've seen is the one quoted above by purdue and it concerns dry and canned food and a relation to fat, i believe.

many who have dogs with behaviour problems.....and the so called picky eater dog....free feed.....at least that's what i glean from the boards...

from my own experience...the one who makes their dog sit for a treat or down for a treat or something for a treat or food of any kind.....does two things.

1. controls weight - well, depending on how much food is given...another discussion

2. ensures hierarchy - that the dog knows where his sustenance is coming from establishes order for the dog....and comfort, knowing he or she will be fed and sustained....it gives dogs a feeling of safety and security to know there is a giver of food.....

that is essential, no?
 

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but, objective observation makes me wonder if people aren't missing an opportunity here.

whether one has the perfect dog who eats the perfect amount --- isn't that kind of moo here? when feeding time is such a perfect opportunity for the owner and the dog to keep the pack order in place? on a daily basis?

..... a perfect opportunity to be the master of the food? it's a training tool, at the very least and at best, it establishes to our dogs that WE provide the food.

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completely agree. it adds routine/stucture to the dogs life, which i think is important. but, what is most important to me is that meal time is a very valuable tool for me to gauge how my dog is doing, as how they act at meal time gives me great insight into how they are feeling.
 

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I feed my dogs twice a day and they are fine with that regimine. I measure out the food with a measuring cup, and the evening meal is with wet food and dry . With having two labs if I left the food out all day well then they would be the only dogs eating haha! They are true labs! Eat anything that they can see and can be devoured that fits down their throats haha! So for my group its the best way for them all to get their meals!
 
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